WIN 13 Type 8 Safety ....... Do they really exist? What say you?

[rlc_hntr]

Well both Babcock and Harrison say they do. I been told by a W.R.A. researcher that they don't.
What do you Guys think?

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[rlc_hntr]

Interesting.... More photos.

[Ramboueille]

What is a "Type 8" safety, in layman's terms............

[latigo 1]

Some people think all parts with a punch mark are WRA. They also think front sight screws with an "A" inside the wrench recess are WRA. They also think all parts with rough machining are WRA. None of this is true. To my knowledge, no one has ever stated the serial numbers of any WIN-13 that had that kind of safety. Until an experienced researcher states he has seen it on an original rifle, and tells exactly which rifle it is on so it can be confirmed by other researchers, I will consider it just another internet myth. There is a big difference between doing research and publishing a book. It doesn't make sense that Winchester would decide at the last minute to completely change thier safety and make so few of them that no experienced collector has actually seen one on a rifle.

[Bill Ricca]

Just because something is published in a book, that does not give it the meaning of confirmed facts. Authors have published stuff based upon information from dealers, who lie, to classify their fakes for sale as original.

Once a fake item is listed in a research book, it now has the belief of thousands.

I am not involved in this Winchester Safety issue, but if I were, my response would be to contact the authors and ask them how they came up with that information.

Harrison passed away a few years ago.

[mdoerner]

Why would WRA mark all their other safety's with a "WRA" and not do that on this supposed "last run"? Makes no sense. Looks like a old, rusted SA safety that's been re-parked....or subcontractor.

Mike D

[Bill Hollinger]

The old rusted part might fly except the holes and the machining are crisp and sharp.

[StoneTemplePilot]

Jesse did have some errors in his earlier book on the M1 that he sent to me. Some of his explainations and conclusions were drawn from observing a large grouping of Captain Crunch parts that were either later crunched or saved from the jaws for honor teams or their like. There was no complete rifle data from that particular source.

I asked Scott about 15 years ago if he or Mac had any data on round top safety usage in any pure Original or darn close to WRA rifle. Answer then was no and I'm stilling looking for a confirmed benchmark rifle.

Small pad housing theories..........we know WRA made them smaller later on in production, possibly for future use with a round top safety or SA directive on interchangibility. Question is, did they actually manufacture them, and then use them in later production rifles?

[Bill Ricca]

Jesse did have some errors in his earlier book on the M1 that he sent to me

He continued with several errors. One item shows a round hole lock screw, which he lists as experimental for GL. It was a manufactured screw circa 1960's for sale to South American armies and is without a vent. They would not use a non vented screw for launching Rifle Grenades. This was made up by a dealer/exporter because there were no huge quantities of lock screws available for export. I have one and know its origin.

I have the drawings, patent information, and the contractor for the experimental lock screw for the GL's. It is nothing like his picture.

His drawings are incredibly good in showing what an item is. The information about it can be totally off base.

If I recall one of the authors list a Revision 14 bolt for the Garand, yet nobody I know has ever seen one. I have asked several individuals who claim they exist, to post a picture. So far none have.

I want to confirm!

[Ramboueille]

Jesse did have some errors in his earlier book on the M1 that he sent to me. Some of his explainations and conclusions were drawn from observing a large grouping of Captain Crunch parts that were either later crunched or saved from the jaws for honor teams or their like. There was no complete rifle data from that particular source.

STP,

Let me see if I understand this correctly: Harrison determined a WRA round topped safety existed from a pile of loose, stripped random parts which were not seen in any complete rifles and publishes it, then Babcock swears to it and publishes the same?

God help us................