Savage No4 Mk 1 T

[Craig Eberhardt]

Hello there,

I am considering buying a 1941 Savage No 4 Mk 1 T serial number OC614. The scope is a 1943 Mk1 number 14276 which is also stamped on the wrist. There is a small T on the left side of the action. The scope mount number is C38549 . S51 stamped on heel of butt.

Is the mismatched scope mount an issue?

Any thoughts appreciated

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[Badger]

Hello …

There's a related article in the MKL by Advisory Panel member Lance:

1942 No.4 Mk1*(T) Savage Sniper Rifle (less scope)

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Regards,
Doug

[jmoore]

Is the mismatched scope mount an issue?

No, but the "matching number" on the wrist would be! Since the bracket's not numbered to the rifle, one would have to assume that a bit of fakery is going on. Just how much is a cobble job is the question. Buy the scope and get a free rifle. That's as much money as I'd put into the whole deal...

[Peter Laidler]

According to our information notes, the only need for the bracket to be numbered was when for any reason, the telescope was removed from the bracket. Because when this occurs, the link between the rifle and the all important bracket is broken (think about it.....) So if you don't have a numbered bracket, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a fake.

[Roger Payne]

Could you get some photo's? The bracket at least is a replacement to the rifle & scope, & as jm alludes it could be worse than that. A few pictures posted on the forum would get you oceans of practical advice from the many knowledgeable people here..........

If you can get photo's before committing yourself, try & get some of the rifle minus the scope as well as with the scope mounted. The appearance & fit of the body pads on the rifle receiver is highly important, & this is best seen with the scope & bracket removed.

ATB

[Craig Eberhardt]

Thanks everyone,

I am suspicious that the rifle has been cobbled together. While the serial number is in the correct range the cocking piece appears to be from a later model savage. There does not appear to be a small s on the right hand side of the receiver. The S51 appears roughly stamped and the telescope number on the wrist is also lacking in definition which seems unusual given the good condition of the rest of the rifle. It does however gave the T on the left side of the action. Given that it has a mismatched bracket I think I will give it a miss and hold out for a better one.

[Peter Laidler]

Playing the devils advocate here, the shape of the cocking piece has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the rifle. This is for so called 'originality freaks' who think, unbelieveably, in spite of being told a zillion times to the contrary, that Armourers hunted around for matching parts when repairing a rifle. The small S indicates a sighting change. And if it didn't (or DID) need a change, it didn't get the S. The S51 is always misaligned. It was stamped with three individual letter/number stamps - which I still possess! You try stamping the letters straight and aligned after doing 200 one day! Scope number lacking definition....... Wood closes up and hollows fill with grime which makes numbers ilegible. We would overstamp them if necessary and I have to say it, sometimes rather badly too

Just my views and 2c's worth.

[Craig Eberhardt]

Playing the devils advocate here, the shape of the cocking piece has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the rifle. This is for so called 'originality freaks' who think, unbelieveably, in spite of being told a zillion times to the contrary, that Armourers hunted around for matching parts when repairing a rifle. The small S indicates a sighting change. And if it didn't (or DID) need a change, it didn't get the S. The S51 is always misaligned. It was stamped with three individual letter/number stamps - which I still possess! You try stamping the letters straight and aligned after doing 200 one day! Scope number lacking definition....... Wood closes up and hollows fill with grime which makes numbers ilegible. We would overstamp them if necessary and I have to say it, sometimes rather badly too

Just my views and 2c's worth.

Thank you Peter. I am always interested to hear from people who know what they are talking about.