Arnhem

[CINDERS]

Found this interesting main pic from the battle for the bridge at Arnhem its not the chap in the fore ground;
"Captain John Killick of the 89th Field Security Section on the streets of Arnhem 18th September 1944, with a German prisoner".

Rather A) The arrogant look of their German prisoner
B) The sten in the back ground appears to have a fore grip on it, they all have their bayonets fitted.

Just wondering was the fore grip introduced or was this a field modification not officially adopted by the MoD.
I know special forces customise their rigs to suit themselves just wondering if the practice was apparent in WWII.

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[GeeRam]

Found this interesting main pic from the battle for the bridge at Arnhem its not the chap in the fore ground;
"Captain John Killick of the 89th Field Security Section on the streets of Arnhem 18th September 1944, with a German prisoner".

Rather A) The arrogant look of their German prisoner
B) The sten in the back ground appears to have a fore grip on it, they all have their bayonets fitted.

Just wondering was the fore grip introduced or was this a field modification not officially adopted by the MoD.
I know special forces customise their rigs to suit themselves just wondering if the practice was apparent in WWII.

They are Sten Mk.V's.
Pretty much all of the Sten's issued to 1st AB Div for OP Market Garden were the new Mk.V version.

[Simon P]

Did the 1st Airborne Division also have a small qty of Patchett Mk.Is at Arnhem as well.

Not sure if its true or just a rumor

[GeeRam]

Did the 1st Airborne Division also have a small qty of Patchett Mk.Is at Arnhem as well.

Not sure if its true or just a rumor

Not ever heard that.........and I'd be astonished if it were true, as given that virtually none of the kit taken in, came out, they would have been captured by the Germans.

Some of them went in with M1 Carbines though.

Has the operation taken place a month or two later, they might have gone in with No.5's instead of No.4's as well.

[Simon P]

Not ever heard that.........and I'd be astonished if it were true, as given that virtually none of the kit taken in, came out, they would have been captured by the Germans.

Some of them went in with M1 Carbines though.

Has the operation taken place a month or two later, they might have gone in with No.5's instead of No.4's as well.

Peter Laidlers book "Guns of Dagenham" page 56 mentions some may have been taken to Arnhem, mentions Serial No's 067, 070 & 072

[Flying10uk]

mentions some may have been taken to Arnhem

I believe that there are several books, out there, that suggest this but don't know of any producing a photo to prove it.

[Flying10uk]

Did the 1st Airborne Division also have a small qty of Patchett Mk.Is at Arnhem as well.

I've heard it suggested before but I don't know if it's true.

[GeeRam]

I've heard it suggested before but I don't know if it's true.

Maybe more likely to have been Op Varsity rather than Market Garden IMHO, if it indeed happened at all before VE Day?

[browningautorifle]

Rather A) The arrogant look of their German prisoner

After capitulation you could find lots of them that insisted they hadn't been defeated at all, they were ordered to surrender.

[Bob Womack]

It's funny. I look at him and see a man who has been made prisoner and is confident that he will be well-handled. There also appears to be a look of professional interest in what is going on in front of him. Different perspective, I suppose.

I find it hard to forget the camouflage gag from A Bridge Too Far."



Bob