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    7 Mar 2025 Garand Picture of the Day

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    I guess this is the Garand design that competed against the M1icon Carbine?

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    Yes, had various mags too. Five, ten, fifteen and twenty...fifty? The odd angle made it like the old Springfield with a Pedersen device. A long mag would never be workable in jungle or house clearing. He DID also make a bottom feed magazine type.
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    Yes, had various mags too. Five, ten, fifteen and twenty...fifty? The odd angle made it like the old Springfield with a Pedersen device. A long mag would never be workable in jungle or house clearing. He DID also make a bottom feed magazine type.

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    First Version

    Springfield Armory submitted this rifle, designed by John C Garand (of M1icon Rifle fame) to the Light Rifle trials. It was unusual in that it used magazines mounted on top at a 45 degree angle, unlike the other entrants. It was a simple design, using only 44 parts and weighing a mere 4.9 pounds with a sling and 5-round magazine (OAL of 34 7/8 inches, and an 18 inch barrel). It was very well received in the trials, and the official report found it excellent in virtually all areas of evaluation – reliability in dust and rain, accuracy, recoil, and simplicity of design. Some felt that the magazine should be moved to the bottom, but most who fired it liked the magazine as it was.

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    In the second round of trials, Garand and Springfield submitted a revised variant of the rifle. The primary difference was the relocation of the magazine to the bottom of the weapon, which necessitated some modifications to the design. The resulting gun was heavier (5.37 pounds with sling and magazine), and deemed less reliable and more difficult to disassemble.


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    Yep, that's the second one. Looks like it might be a neat shooter. Better than the first.

    My mistake, 5, 10, 20 and 50 rds mags on the high anged version. What a klutz that would be in action. Maybe he did it in a hurry to get a piece in the game. When the Thompson was firt starting off the used an M 1911 magazine fitted just to prove the system even worked.
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