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I don't and never will advocate sharing copyrighted information. Some of my personal data comes from carbines I've had the chance to own or examine. In addition, there's often a number of M1 carbines for sale at any of the online gun auctions and these often have detailed pictures and descriptions. Some folks on forums like this one or CMP post pictures and descriptions of their carbines, especially of the recent release of mostly original Bavarian carbines. There is a wealth of info that can be assembled without copyright infringement. Just imagine if every M1 carbine listed at the database on the CMP forum was accompanied by a barrel date and manufacturer?
Regarding detailed information on original M1's, I'll save mine for the Carbine Club. The yearly dues are said to be well worth the modest yearly dues and I look forward to filling out data sheets for my Saginaw Division M1's.
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Originally Posted by
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I would like to see one of the copywrite holder actually post (and give permission to open post) ...
For clarification, my comments were meant to advocate for the publication WITH the copywrite holders permission....
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Guys,
There is not a list of manufacturer dates listed that has accurate dates. There are people that have researched the National Archives and compiled list and for me , I give them the utmost in admiration! They have done the homework. Maybe what you need to do is gather a collective of people ,assign each a manufacturer, and start collecting data. Its not that hard. Start with War Baby pg 210-211,give each carbine a build date of 1 month prior. When you find newer or better data,adjust your dates. It does not come overnight. Take your time and things start to fall in place. You don`t always need copyrighted material.
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I don't think anyone is asking for any information that is copy written. Serial numbers and dates are facts of manufacturing production.
I really hate to think this will die here. How about you fellas in the know posting the information you have.
Bill Hollinger
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How many times has a born on date been asked for? Did you copy down the information and store it in your own data base? There is no published serial number list with a manufacture date that I know of. It is basic homework,math and paying attention to detail.
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Originally Posted by
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Guys,
Start with War Baby pg 210-211,give each carbine a build date of 1 month prior. When you find newer or better data, adjust your dates. It does not come overnight. Take your time and things start to fall in place.
Loren
That is a good place to start.
When you start building your chart remember to factor in things like the percentages of receivers scrapped after the serial number was applied, especially if the manufacturer didn't reuse those serial numbers. If they did be prepared for the odd ball serial number that doesn't fit your model. Also need to take into consideration serial number blocks, or portions of the block that were used out of sequence, and those used simultaneously with other blocks. For those manufacturers that had subcontractors providing receivers remember to factor in the deliveries of the subcontracted receivers throughout the relevant serial number block(s). Other ankle bitters like duplicating serial numbers and not finishing a block before going to the next assigned block must also be taken into account. The more data reference points you can locate to check your results the more accurate the results will be. Once you get a real accurate chart you can factor in transferred receivers and adjust accordingly.
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Fellas, I'm not asking for me. I'm asking for the good of everybody here at the site. I know what my carbines are and no I have not kept track over the years when someone else posts that information. Thanks
Bill Hollinger
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I've got an M1 carbine that I purchased from DCM back in either late 1960 or early 1961. It's a Saginaw S'G', 18635xx, with an Underwood 9-43 barrel. It was rebuilt at Rock Island Armory sometime between 1947 and 1958 from the RIA over EB boxed cartouche on the left side of the InlandType 3 stock.
I'm new to carbine collecting; what's UEF? Underwood barrel presumably, but what's the EF stand for?
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Years ago, I moderated or co-owned several boards pertaining to classic or antique Motorcycles.
Never in the years of those projects was a member advised to join a "pay to use" group to obtain additional information. Nor was a member ever chided to "research it" further.
If anyone had the information, they provided it. If the reply would have required too much retyping, the advice would be to visit a http://www.Wxyz site to get the whole answer.
Are Carbine owners such an Elitist bunch?