Do you Guys think that this is O.K.?

[gunner]

Hi duggaboy,

i´m curios to read about your shooting and how the scope mount is working.

Thanks

Gunner

INLAND44,

many thanks for for the kind words and the advice. As you correctly assumed it is shooting correctly. The POA is a bit below the border of the black to the white.

Regards

Gunner

[INLAND44]

I wouldn't say it's shooting 'correctly' but 'adequately'. It really should be a little higher at 100. The trajectory is designed to hit the sightline at 150. The adjustable sight is marked '1- 1.5' at the lowest setting. However, if 5 of 7 shots are cutting or within the dotted line, it would pass, and I think yours just gets in. It really doesn't matter - whatever you're happy with is good, and a 100-yd zero is a very useful trajectory. I just like to keep reminding everyone of what it's supposed to be. I think military weapons should be in every way in service condition, including sighting.

[campperrykid]

I dunno.
I'm not in big hurry to file more steel off the front sight of a Carbine. On the adjustable sights , I don't even care if the 100yd zero uses the 200 or 250 marking. The old zero doctrine is almost 70 years old and I don't plan on following it blindly. Especially if the 100yd targets are closer to 6 inches than 12 inches.
I have never fired a USGI Carbine at over 220 yards in my life.

[gunner]

Hi INLAND44,

i`ll understand your point of view and from that side it is correct to sight it in the original distance. For competition shooting it is more common to sight in the rifles to the most useful distance and for the Carbine it is 50yards and 100yards. My one fits for both and we have no competition for the Carbines over 100yards. Do you have such competitions for more than 100yards?

Regards

Gunner

[DaveHH]

at least as good as prone. The only thing is in the sitting position even your heart beat affects the shot. When I fired expert with the M14 in trainfire at Ft Ord in 1965, I sat at every target beyond 150 meters, the rest were off hand. It made it a lot easier and you did have sufficient time.

My brother was at Bad Kreuznach with the 8th Airborne for four years when Germany was a four marks per dollar paradise. He reupped to stay longer. I had to go to Vietnam while he enjoyed the beautiful women and beer. He " can perfect deutsch sprechen ".

[campperrykid]

Sitting is great , faster than many people can believe. For me , the squat has always been a little faster , but not quite as steady.
I used the squat during parts of the old M14 Trainfire Qualification. Nothing new -- it's right out of FM 23-5 , US Rifle Caliber .30 , M1 ( 1958 ) -- pages 100 to 102.
IME , the squat worked fine for " Dutch " farmboys from the Midwest. Hey , I had never even heard of Kim Chi back then.

[gunner]

Hi DaveHH,

yes the sitting position is very good for shooting at distances til 300 yards for me. At longer distances i prefer more the prone position for the reason that you´ve said, the heart beat.
Bad Kreuznach, nice town. Do you really think he is better with German that you after your demonstration? Sad that you werent able to have a good cold beer and some nice German girls but i´m sure that you did an very good job at Vietnam!

Best Regards

Gunner

[gunner]

campperrykid,

you used the squatting position? On wich distances, i used it only for a quick shot on distances of 50 to 75yards. For me it wasn`t stable enough to shoot at longer distances.

Regards

Gunner

[campperrykid]

That is a fair question.
I can not remember . The old M14 trainfire qualification began with foxhole supported position firing out to about 500 yards. The remaining rounds were fired during the moveout phase: The shooter advanced along a berm , the target appeared and the shooter had a limited but reasonable time to assume a position and engage the target. A few targets were close enough that standing made sense , the rest needed a steadier postion for an almost sure hit.

Maybe someone can chime -- Trainfire was the standard US Army qualification course for a number of years. The maximum target distance was shortened after the M16 became standard.

Shooting from the squat is an acquired skill and takes some periodic practice. I doubt that I could it today with the same amount of success. There are some variations in the position as well , including elbow locations.

Shooting traditions vary. I never really learned to shoot standing supported , leaning on the post , with anything approaching the ease and accuracy that many German shooters routinely demonstrated.

[gunner]

Thanks for the explanation!
Firing at 500 yards is what our soldiers didnt learn for the reason that most of the shooting ranges ending at 300yards. So you are safe if you stay outside this distance.
For the accuracy of some German shooters: It sometime looks that it is easy, but this guy do an lot of practise wich i can not effort. I´m lucky with my skills and thankful to the Army wich gave the time to practise to me.
The most used shooting positions over here are prone with no support and standing offhand. I were lucky to can go shooting at some of your famous NRA shootings or others. Maybe someday......

Regards

Gunner