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    Canadian Federal Election and More Liberal Gun-Grabbing

    Now, as a rule we try to keep Milsurps.com apolitical. We try and focus on the stuff we like to collect and not all the other issues surrounding a politically incorrect hobby. However, the Liberals are once again promising to steal our guns. "Not mine, I only have old milsurps!", you say. Well, you're out of luck too.

    This will apply to Garands, SVTs, SKSs, G/K43s, AG42bs...............and on and on. Depending upon which Liberal lackey applies these rules, it may even apply to your Lee-Enfield baby-killing machine. After all, it is a military assault weapon with evil features like a bayonet lug and a large-capacity detachable magazine.

    So please give some thought to who you will support this coming election.

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    Liberal Press Release:

    Liberals announce ban on military assault weapons
    MONTREAL – A Liberal government would move quickly to take military assault weapons off Canadian streets while still respecting the voices of legitimate gun owners, Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion said today.

    “A new Liberal government will make our cities, our communities, and our schools safer by getting military assault weapons off our streets,” said Mr. Dion at an event at Dawson College. “Military assault weapons have no connection to hunting or sport shooting, and serve absolutely no purpose in our society. No one outside of the military needs these weapons and we would all be safer without them in Canadaicon.”

    A Liberal government would ensure that the list of prohibited weapons is updated to include all military assault weapons. This approach was supported last Thursday by Coroner Jacques Ramsay in his report into the tragic shootings at Dawson College in 2006. A Liberal government will ensure that semi-automatic rifles with a legitimate connection to hunting or sport shooting are not included in the prohibition.

    “The Conservatives’ ideological opposition to reasonable firearms restrictions is simply unacceptable,” said Mr. Dion. “It is wrong. It is not the Canada we want to build. And this election is about the type of Canada we want to live in.”

    Mr. Dion also announced that a Liberal government would make changes to the government’s Firearms Advisory Committee to ensure that the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness receives balanced and informed advice when it comes to firearms use in Canada. Under the Conservatives the committee had been quietly stacked with firearms enthusiasts, providing little in the way of unbiased advice.

    “While the voices of legitimate gun owners deserve to be heard on the committee, we will ensure that there are representatives of major police associations – like the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police and the Canadian Police Association, health and safety experts and true advocates of gun control on the committee. This will ensure that the measures we implement with respect to firearms actually make Canadians safer,” he said.

    “Stephen Harper cannot be tough on crime when he is soft on guns,” said Mr. Dion. “The time has come for the government to get these dangerous guns off our streets and a new Liberal government will do just that.”

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    BACKGROUND
    On the Assault Weapons Ban:

    Rather than working with community safety advocates, the current Conservative government has effectively undermined gun control legislation in Canada.

    For example, the list of prohibited firearms maintained by the federal government is now dangerously out of date. The list identifies a particular type of gun and declares it to be prohibited. However, the industry and gun dealers have become very good at circumventing this system. They make tiny adjustments to a prohibited weapon – this adjustment technically makes it a different gun then the one that is prohibited and it is thus legal to own in Canada.

    The result of this is too many military assault rifles – weapons that have absolutely no legitimate connection to hunting or sport shooting – are now legally owned and available in this country.

    Military assault rifles are defined as fully-automatic and selective-fire rifles along with selected semi-automatic rifles designed for military purposes and possessing military features such as: use of a large capacity magazine, folding/telescoping stock, a protruding pistol grip, a bayonet mount, or threaded muzzle or flash suppressor. It is these military features – features whose sole purpose is to render the rifle a more effective tool for killing other people – which make these rifles a threat to public safety.

    While fully-automatic rifles have been prohibited since 1978, many of the semi-automatic rifles with these military features are still not prohibited.

    Banning these weapons would not require additional legislation. They can be added to the current list of prohibited weapons through an Order-In-Council.

    This proposed prohibition would not cover semi-automatic rifles which do not contain these military features. A new Liberal government will not prohibit semi-automatic rifles with a legitimate connection to hunting and sport shooting.

    In his report, published September 4, 2008, Coroner Jacques Ramsay called for a ban on the type of military assault weapon used by Kimv**r Gill in the Dawson College shootings on September 13, 2006.

    This prohibition would cover the short-barrelled Beretta CX4 Storm rifle which was obtained legally by Kimv**r Gill and used in the Dawson College shootings two years ago and the Mini-Ruger 14, the weapon used by Marc Lepine at L’Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal in December 1989 to kill 14 young women.
    On Changes to the Firearms Advisory Committee:

    The Firearms Advisory Committee has existed since the days of Kim Campbell.

    First the Progressive Conservatives and then the Liberals attempted to use the committee to ensure that the Minister responsible for public safety received balanced and informed advice when it came to firearms in this country.

    The previous governments ensured that representatives of legitimate, law-abiding firearms owners sat next to representatives of our national police organizations, health and safety experts and true proponents of gun control.

    Stockwell Day has radically altered the make-up of this committee. He has stacked it with pro-gun advocates and removed from it all of those who advocate in favour of gun control and gun safety.

    Future appointments to the Firearms Advisory Committee will provide balance to the committee. Legitimate gun-owners will work together with community safety advocates to ensure that the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness receives advice that is balanced.
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    Harper is the only one that does not promise tougher gun laws in Quebec so, unless we (Quebec's gun lovers) want to shoot ourselves in the foot, we KNOW just what to do on election day. At least, I do !

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Savoie View Post
    Harper is the only one that does not promise tougher gun laws in Quebec so, unless we (Quebec's gun lovers) want to shoot ourselves in the foot, we KNOW just what to do on election day. At least, I do !
    It's unfortunate that shooters and collectors in Ontario and especially Quebec face such active hostility from their provincial police forces and CFO's. I truly feel sorry for those living under such fascist, nanny-state regimes.

    It's bad enough for all Canadianicon shooters and collectors as it is, without the extra burdens faced in ON and QC. Alberta always has room if you want to emigrate and large francophone communities too.

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    If I were not to face divorce #3, I'd gladly move West ! But as it is, I am stuck in Quebec 'cause my wife wants the kids to visit their grand-parents as often as possible and she finds 1 hour away is far enough. If she ever comes to her senses, believe me we won't stay too long in such a nanny-state province where we are told what to do, how to think etc.

    I for myself would even consider moving to Vermont, if Quebec ever separates. "Political asylum"! Let's hope things never get that bad.

    At least the LIE-berals are not too popular in the rest of Canadaicon so I've been told. Let's hope it stays that way for a strong Conservative gov. in the long run. I already lost the right to carry my prohibited 12(3) and 12(5) to the range, I would hate to loose more rights.
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    More taxes and fewer personal rights and freedoms, pretty normal Liberal platform. Sadly there's enough politically ignorant metropolitan sheep in this country that will vote for them just because they "can't bring themselves to vote conservative". As much as I would truly be sad to see Quebec separate, the rest of Canadaicon would likely be better off as the Liberals wouldn't have a sniff of winning an election for another two decades.

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    Gun Grabbing

    It is the old divide and conquer routine. It has been worked very successfully here in the US for many years.
    Guns are too big, too small, too old, too cheap, hold too much ammo, No sporting use or purpose. Only good for one thing etc. etc.

    The collectors here are often at odds with the complacent 5000.00 trap gun crowd. The hunters only want to be left alone, with their small number of smokepoles. The re- enactors are in a time warp, although most of the stuff they shoot is well over .50 caliber and are also in the sights of the anti's
    The NRA struggles to keep 4 million members while there are tens of millions of legitimate gunners who are happy to sit on their asses because nobody is coming after THEIR guns. A pathetic state of affairs.
    And so it goes. The few work to protect the many. If at all possible you folks should move here. We'd love to have you, and home isn't that far away. God Bless

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary D View Post
    More taxes and fewer personal rights and freedoms, pretty normal Liberal platform. Sadly there's enough politically ignorant metropolitan sheep in this country that will vote for them just because they "can't bring themselves to vote conservative". As much as I would truly be sad to see Quebec separate, the rest of Canadaicon would likely be better off as the Liberals wouldn't have a sniff of winning an election for another two decades.
    I'd much rather see us in the West split off.

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    Being an Aussie and in particular a west aussie, don't let Canadaicon or your gun laws go like they have here. Lobby, LObby the right pollies or get a rep from the shooting committee in parliamnet to represent you properly. We found that out here to late, espically after The Port Arthur massarce.
    I can only hope that one our government see's sense and adopts a system similar to yours or new Zealands.
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