Help with a Number 4T

[mrbungle]

i will go with what you said......i am rather new to these.......it is the pads, sir.

[Badger]

Although it's a 1944, there's a 130 picture virtual tour of the 1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1(T) Sniper Rifle (Mfg by BSA Shirley - M47c) displayed in the United Kingdom - Milsurp Knowledge Library.

Here's close ups of correct pads (note rounder edge shape) and location vis-a-vis receiver on it…

(Click PIC to Enlarge)

Hope that helps ...

Regards,
Doug

[bigduke6]

Its the front pad, this is a repro one were you can take the meat off so it can be lowered, problem here is, its been fitted to the original holes, you need a new front pad. you can see it in the pics (the back of the pad is sky high on the body)

Start again or make a new one or get one of the front pads from AAS......

But Peters advice is the best, take it back as the price for the rifle is way too high.

[john Brandon]

Ok now I'm really confused

I've attached a few more photos, don't suppose they will help, but i have measured it from "known points" and there is only a small difference Arrows in Blue, and if I pack the underside marked in red, with some thin sheet metal (something like a feeler gauge strip) will that not bring the back up?

And Peter........you still haven't answered my question about the said piece. Is it a nail? IYO

Well at least it's got some opinions going, if nothing else

[RobD]

John,
I am not an expert - but from what I can see, I think it's the bracket that's wrong.
In the pic below I have put yours above a genuine T from the Knowledge Library. I have then drawn lines between various points and it all lines up just the same, as far as I can see.
May I suggest you try your bracket on another rifle, and another bracket on your rifle?
Another question for the experts is whether the rifle is a genuine T. Nothing I have seen on it looks wrong.
If yours is a genuine scopeless T with repro pads then £1200 is by no means a terrible price to have paid...

[bigduke6]

John, your known points are not datums and its not a point to take a measurement from, its all to do with the scope and the barrel you could see this by bore sighting , the issue here is the pads, (I say front one ) it can be fixed but, you shouldnt have to do this after spending what you did.

Whats wrong is you have been sold something thats been knocked up badly, someone has thrown on a set of pads and new timber and thinks it worth a kings ransom, its not.... if you cant take the rifle back then at least send the scope back, believe me the scope makes all the difference, and with a bit of time and effort you could have a good set up, I was out Sunday and early morning Monday with a repro L42, but it has an original scope on board and a few other original bits and its a real pleasure to shoot, in fact its the dogs reproductive organs.....

[john Brandon]

Well, here's a quick update, and can I say how thankful I am to everyone for the help and knowledge that has been given to me.
Well, I just happened to have another front pad, and as you can see by the photograph, my "other one" is different in as much as it's lower where the thread for the scope mounts. I know that my datum points were not true points but i was rushing, and really wanted everything to be right.
However, with a laser bore sight,at the same distance and position, the new pad made the sighting go up an awful lot, which means I can now, hopefully turn the drums to at least hit the target. I am pleased with what I bought, I've seen worse for more money, and in the future, I will get an original scope, it will still be a codge up, but for the moment, I just want to have some fun with it, so I'm up to the range tomorrow, with my fingers and toes crossed tightly. The distance on the screw thread between the new and "old" was 1mm

[bigduke6]

Thats good news John, but it hasn't got to be a "codge up"

For some 1mm does not seem a lot, but when I was serving my apprenticeship I was taught to file within 0.001 (one thou of an inch) now I can get it spot on

[john Brandon]

For some 1mm does not seem a lot, but when I was serving my apprenticeship I was taught to file within 0.001 (one thou of an inch) now I can get it spot on

Now you're talking, that takes me back to my apprenticeship, filing and filing to get it right, and when i didn't get it right, it was thrown in the bin.........oh happy days

I really do appreciate the help and advice given today. fingers crossed I'll update tomorrow
And Mr Peter Sir, I do not mind straight talking, I prefer it that way, I'd just never give you a map, that's all

[jimmieZ]

Thank goodness - it appears you're on the right track now. If your replacement front pad doesn't solve the issue to your satisfaction I've got another I could send you (gratis). the other one I have I believe to be an armourer's replacement for his field kit - the "meat" of the front spigot is a little more generous and has latitude to offer more adjustment options when hand fitted.

Jim