Cadmus Folder

[Sleeplessnashadow]

These pictures were taken by others. I just collected them for reference purposes.

One of the problems with the use of "stock photos" provided by a seller or wholesaler is they often do not reflect what is currently being shipped. SARCO's listing for their M1A1 stock is a prime example. They show several different M1A1 stocks instead of just the one they currently sell.

The other challenge is people have built M1A1 stocks using a variety of parts from different manufacturers in addition to a few GI parts.

As always, if it's advertised as "GI" don't bet on it. If it's advertised as "GI Design", "GI Style" or any variation other than just straight "GI", a bet it's not GI would likely be a low return winner.

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Jim
USCarbines.com
M1CarbinesInc.com
BavarianM1Carbines.com

P.S. I have a web page for the original U.S. M1A1 Carbines that includes a complete breakdown of the parts. It's not linked to the website yet as I have a couple final things to add I'm waiting for.

[USGI]

The main complaints on the one I have are imitation leather, folding mechanism drags against the bottom of the grip, oiler is a loose fit, and the hand guard rivets are "shiny" and installed upside down. The heads of the hand guard rivets had to be worked down in order to clear the action on my Inland. Also, believe the rivets are aluminum. It's a nice dark walnut (I think) and I bought it from a private dealer - current (new) stock in 2007. Are the "upside down" hand guard rivets typical of what's found on most of these? - Bob

[Sleeplessnashadow]

I think the most common rivets I've seen on handguards that accompany commercial M1A1 stocks have been pop rivets.

[RASelkirk]

Not much info on Owens. Do know they had difficulty getting people to buy them due to their weight and the design of the slide well. Owen Stock Company incorporated by David Owen in Independence, MO 25 Feb 1999. Larry Ruth has a bit more info on them. Also aware one of the family still had a bunch and popped up on Ebay a couple years ago selling off the leftovers. He's still there: http://www.ebay.com/itm/30-M1-Carbin...item43d9076b0c

I can only guess at why they designed it like they did. Maybe to accommodate the Universal and late Iver Johnson Carbines. Maybe to avoid a run in with Choate or someone else over a patent issue. I'll have to ask him. Thanks for the reminder.

Jim

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The base of my Owen is not "opened up" for the commercial carbines, ie, it is sculpted to be a direct fit to the USGI trigger housing...

Russ

[Sleeplessnashadow]

The base of my Owen is not "opened up" for the commercial carbines, ie, it is sculpted to be a direct fit to the USGI trigger housing...

Russ

The only commercial manufacture who changed the dimensions of the trigger housing to the point of requiring a matching stock was Universal. That change happened after they had already made and sold thousands of carbines with a trigger housing that would fit a GI stock. The barrel and gas piston housing used by a number of commercial manufacturers at various points in time was a separate issue affecting the stock fit. I'm only guessing at why Owens would design their stock as they did. Very likely it was for other reasons.

I bought one off Owens on Ebay a couple nights ago. Then asked him what the original intent was in designing it with the over sized forend. I haven't received a response yet. If I do I'll share it here.

Jim

[USGI]

I think the most common rivets I've seen on handguards that accompany commercial M1A1 stocks have been pop rivets.

I've only looked at a couple of these beside my own, but none had pop rivets. Are you sure about that? Here's a couple pictures of my handguard - you can see where the rivet heads contact the barrel. - Bob

[Sleeplessnashadow]

Was having a senior moment when I said pop rivets. Need to get back in my cage. Was probably thinking of the rivets used on the cheek piece of the M1A1 stock being sold by Numrich.

Some of these were made by the same companies. Just pulled them out and shot them for this post. The next to last is the Inland Manufacturing commercial handguard.

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Jim

[USGI]

The next to last is the Inland Manufacturing commercial handguard.

That one does look like pop rivets! - Bob

PS- Maybe mine are too, and they flattened them (which closed the hole) after installation.

[RASelkirk]

One other thing to note about the Owens, the handguard is shorter than a USGI, I want to say about a half inch shorter...

Russ

[Sleeplessnashadow]

Russ

Heard back from Owen the e-bay seller. He says the rectangular part under the front of the forestock was intended as a "hand grip". He's selling them out of his home in Independence, MO. Same address of Owen Stock Company. Nice home but I don't think he's having them made there. Looked for a patent couldn't find one. Prior ads indicate made in the USA from Rynite. Rynite is trademarked to Dupont. These may be left overs from an initial large order or he may have them made up in smaller quantities as time goes on. Given the price I suspect they're leftovers, but just guessing.

Jim