Re your at thread 4 muffer. I didn't know that! I was just being a bit flippant with my caustic pommy humour. I have to keep reminding my son who's now on the East coast to remember that his pommy humour, learned from dad, isn't quite the same as Aussie humour! But he's learning....... Told him to have a few beers when/if he stops at Enoggera and Canungra!