WW III just around the corner for the holidays .

[Bob Womack]

People don't understand how stretched thin Hitler was when he rolled up to the coast of France and stared at the UK. He's lost a LOT of men in the various Bliztkriegs and there was a question of whether the people would support any further war. At that point he hadn't completed the total domination of his population. It made him very skittish of a failed operation. The Kanalkampf was conducted in as an exploratory operation that allowed him to back out - "say nothing, act normal."

Putin has hung it all out. He's got pretty good control of information/propaganda but the populace know exactly what he is doing. He promised remuneration for fallen soldier's families and hasn't been able to go through with it. They say he has lost a million casualties up to this September. He's lost one third of his Navy to a country without a Navy! He is a superb political strategist and can knife fight with threats with the best. However, I'm beginning to wonder when will his populace have had enough?

Bob

[Surpmil]

As for Adolf and Seelowe, he fully expected Britain to accept the inevitable and come to terms in 1940, just as he had not expected her to declare war in 1939. He made no secret of his positive view of the British Empire and his willingness to further its continuance if he was given a free hand on the Continent.

Yes, he ignored the centuries old policy lately enunciated by Mackinder that Britain could not allow any one power to control the Continent without being in mortal danger, but Hitler's gambles had paid off so many times, so many supposed lines in the sand had been crossed with impunity, that he believed that line could be crossed also.

The irony was that his own desire to effectively make an ally of Britain was by no means shared by the vast majority of his subordinates, quite the reverse, and this was no doubt realized during the deliberations in Britain in 1940-41, that no matter how accommodating Hitler might profess to be, his views and policies would die with him, if they could be relied up on at all.

Adolf Galland recounts in his memoirs how when Hitler visited France in 1940 Galland made so bold as to ask Hitler face to face why they were fighting the British rather than Bolshevik Russia, to which Galland says, Hitler "quite took my breath away" by replying that he considered the inability "to reach an accommodation with England to be the greatest failure of my policy."

The panzer divisions etc. had suffered losses though combat and attrition, but the most important factor was that their morale and that of the entire Wehrmacht was high and growing higher every day. When it is sensed that victory is nearly in hand and the enemies are in disarray, great and exceptional efforts can be expected from an army.

As for the support of the German (and Austrian) people, after an unbroken string of successes their support had never been greater and probably reached it's apex with the fall of France. Remember the crowds in Berlin when Hitler and Goering appeared on the balcony after returning from Compeigne?

There was no need for the Hitler to "dominate" his population when the vast majority adored him and even his so-called opponents accorded him grudging respect for bringing Germany so high and so quickly. Post-war professions shouldn't fool anyone but those who want to be. The vast majority of any other population would feel exactly the same in their place I might add!

What the regime had failed to do was swiftly transition to a full war economy with full industrial mobilization; that only came much later under Speer, and was one of the fatal mistakes made.

The destruction of the USSR and communism in Europe was the idee fixe of the Nazis from their inception, practically their raison d'etre as without the threat of communism they could never have come to power. And after Britain failed to come to terms and Goering failed to gain control of the Channel, Hitler had the excuse to pursue the option he preferred: to crush the USSR and leave Britain with absolutely no alternative but coming to terms or defeat, naturally expecting that the former would be the likely result when the latter became inevitable.

One day the full Ironside diaries will be published, if they still exist, and the debates of 1940 will become more public, though the full story probably went up the chimneys of Whitehall long ago.

The fog of war seems to be as thick as ever!

[bob q]

Everyone missed that because NATO has not attacked Russia and their invasion was unprovoked. Russia clearly started all of this whether by themselves or their proxies in Ukraine. I don't even think Putin has the backing of his people, they don't want war.

You missed a lot because you have very little knowledge of what is really happening over there . NATO members launching Members missiles by Nato personal is not NATO ? As stated , look back at the Cuban missile crisis and what happened there . Do you even know any of the history of the region ? The 8 year long on and off civil war . You are getting your news from the same sources that covered up biden , said trump could not win and all the other stuff . You should see the real death ratio of Russian vs Ukrainian . What is happening there is not worth WW III or Nuc's to the US .

[Aragorn243]

No Bob, I just don't make things up out of thin air. No one has seen what you claim because it hasn't happened. NATO launched no missiles against Russia. You are welcome to provide the time, date and location of where and when this happened and then we'll accept it.

The United States and possibly other NATO nations provided Ukraine with missiles to defend itself on its own territory. Biden last week gave them permission to launch them into Russia itself, which was a bad move, yet very typical of this administration.

I have as much information on what is going on there as you do, I just ignore the rantings of a few idiots that are handing out false information which you are not ignoring.

I also fully know the history of the region, which I already outlined a bit earlier. I am not getting my news sources from anyone that covered up Biden.

I agree that this is not worth WWIII and understand fully it never should have happened in the first place (Biden and before him Obama). Russia has been allowed to violate the Budapest Memorandum on numerous occasions and this cannot be allowed to stand or we will end up in WWIII.

But until you actually have facts showing NATO personnel being involved in this war, you are spreading false information.

[CINDERS]

It would be a negative for Putin to use NW's irradiating arable land for considerable time so would be a no brainer even a dirty bomb though less destructive does the same thing.
They are using hyperbaric bombs which are outlawed but Putin does not care what is worrying is N.Korea and China aiding Russia's campaign even with all types of freedom fighters going to the Ukraine to help these latter 2 aiding Russia are an issue.
With the new administration set to come in with you guys it will be interesting to see what happens based on the dialog he purportedly had on Hitler doing good things perhaps he was referring to the autobarns which were loosely meant for traffic but in reality for moving the army at high rates !

It may be that the US reduces or ceases to aid Ukraine which will have other countries stepping up the supply of arms as if not Russia will win because they do not care for casualties nor material losses just like in WWII with 20 million + lost.
Nope we will have to sit on the edge of our seats and watch, I've kept liquid iodine in the cupboard for ages.

[Riter]

No, the State Department and CIA along with Soros orchestrated a color revolution in Ukraine (2014). War started b/c American neocons wanted to use Ukraine to bleed Russia. If a nation is weakened and falls prey to internal strife, outsiders can buy the resources cheap. This is the model for Africa/Latin America. Remember Lindsey Graham in a moment of honesty admitted that the West had to deny the resources under Crimea from the Russians. Soros and the US State Dept (Herr Hitlery w/assistance of fellow neocon Victoria Nuland) and the CIA help stage the Orange Revolution (both organize color revolutions to promote regime change) that overthrew Yanukovich. Yushenko came to power briefly before being replaced by Poroshenko. It has not stopped inteferring with the affairs of Ukraine and noodling it towards aggravating Russia.

Lest we forget Soviet Premier Gorbachev was promised by Clinton that NATO would not move one inch east, implying that the former Warsaw Pact nations were to be a neutral buffer. Now all of them along with the Baltic States are members of the Warsaw Pact. The only exception is the former parts of Prussia that are now (P)Russian. The 2015 Minsk Accord/Agreement offered Russia assurances that Ukraine would remain neutral. Angela Merkyl later admitted that it was only done only to buy time for the West to pull Ukraine closer to its fold. There was a referendum of those disputed provinces/oblasts as to what nation they wanted to belong to. That was ignored by the US and Ukraine.

Then the Russian language was outlawed and no Russian music could be played. On top of that, there were over 30 bioweapons labs funded by the US in Ukraine. They were listed on the US State Department website but has since been cleaned up. Afterward a wholesale slaughter of ethnic Russians began.

But for the globalists both here and abroad and the American neocons, no one really wants war. Instead the West does FAFO. We are all at peril now b/c of the globalists and American neocons who are more than happy to fight to the last Ukrainian. Guess who has been buying Ukrainian farmland?

We just learned that Russia doesn't need to use nuclear weapons. They have Oreshnik, a hypersonic missile that can use kenetic energy to destroy things. Clean war!

[CINDERS]

It may have slipped a bit but Ukraine was not that friendly to the Jewish fraternity in WWII in fact pretty much sided with the N*zis.

AFAIK US also years ago developed a Neutron bomb same destructive blast & heat wave as a nuke with little or no radiation to worry about the area can be secured in a matter of minutes/hours following the detonation.

[Sapper740]

It may have slipped a bit but Ukraine was not that friendly to the Jewish fraternity in WWII in fact pretty much sided with the N*zis.

AFAIK US also years ago developed a Neutron bomb same destructive blast & heat wave as a nuke with little or no radiation to worry about the area can be secured in a matter of minutes/hours following the detonation.

We dismantled our last Neutron bomb in 2011 after a long and contentious argument over them with our allies dating back to the Carter administration. Some felt that the idea of a nuclear weapon that only killed people was too "Dr. Strangelove-ish" and better to have weapons that killed people, destroyed cities, and irradiated the land for thousands of years.

[Riter]

Question re: the North Koreans. Were they voluntold by their Dear Leader? The benefit would be food from Russia to Korea, reduction of Korean debt to Russia if any, exchange of technology for X # of troops for Y duration. Anyone have insights?

[Aragorn243]

Only thing I heard is they are not very effective. Several defected and several killed some Russian soldiers. How much of that is true, I have no idea. They can't be all that highly motivated.