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Mr Horton's reference does state an oiled chamber will produce an a 19 tons per square inch load on the action which is the same as the proof load marked on L42 bolt heads. But that only applies to original cordite loads. Can you load your own external ballistic equivalent with less chamber pressure? Me not know!
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Well you see, Villiers, without the US they would not have been world wars, merely local unpleasantnesses that were not the concern of US isolationists.
Patrick
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Pat, British Empire forces fought in both world wars. Even without US involvment, that would still have meant both wars were still global endeavours. At that time Britain stretched quite a bit further South than the Isle of Wight, and a lot further East than Norfolk.
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Originally Posted by
villiers
@Ireload2: "How many world wars did the Brits without US participation? Surely you know the answer to this question."
Please remind me when
USA entered WWII. And remind me what we paid for Lend Lease. And I´ll remind YOU that we lost a greater proportion of our population than any of our allies, we ousted the terrorists and turned Malaya into an internationally respected state which is still part of the Commonwealth ... What did YOU do in VietNam?
I advise you to take adequate precautions ... as I don´t shoot Enfields just for fun.
If you don't shoot Enfields for fun that what is the point????
Or is that a threat of some sort?
I have always noticed that the Brits use the % casualties suffered for statistical argument when there were 29 other countries that suffered a higher percentage of casualties.
That you suffered a high population of casualties than any of your allies is not true and is evidence that you have never reviewed the statistics.
I will be glad to remind you that when the US entered the war on Dec 7, 1941. It is standard Commonwealth behavior to mention the date the US entered the war as late - and if the US takes action first then the US is called a war monger nation.
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Originally Posted by
Patrick Chadwick
Well you see, Villiers, without the US they would not have been world wars, merely local unpleasantnesses that were not the concern of US isolationists. Patrick
It is always interesting to hear the Brits talk about getting in over their heads into two World Wars.
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Thank you for your concern Harry, but I was in fact aware that the British Empire did have a role in both world wars. I was presenting the US isolationist "not our problem" point of view. The view of people who pretend that the nasty world out there is nothing to do with the land of apple pie.
Ignore the Cuban crisis (REMEMBER THE MAINE)
Ignore WW1 (REMEMBER THE LUSITANIA)
Ignore WW2 (REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR).
Ignore terrorism (REMEMBER 9/11).
And always that nasty world eventually penetrates the apple-pie somnolence with a terrible event that finally shakes an unprepared nation into action. I am well aware that such a simplistic judgement is unfair, but it is an unfair world that punishes lack of preparation. The positive side is that when the sleeping giant awakes it can be awesomely effective - the production of the P14 and M1917 in WW1 and the Liberty ships in WW2 were showpiece examples of what US private enterprise can do in an emergency.
Still, I say it again, if the US had had to rely exclusively on Springfield rifle production in WW1, then the US Expeditionary Force would have been fully armed and ready to go in about 1930.
Patrick
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Wow, this is starting to look like Gunboards.
A rambling, pointless argument thread....
Classic.
Plus it has all the flavor and aroma of one of the famous Frumunda Cheeses we produce in the American Midwast during the summer.
Goes great with tea.
-----krinko
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Originally Posted by
Patrick Chadwick
Thank you for your concern Harry, but I was in fact aware that the
British Empire did have a role in both world wars. I was presenting the US isolationist "not our problem" point of view. The view of people who pretend that the nasty world out there is nothing to do with the land of apple pie.
Ignore the Cuban crisis (REMEMBER THE MAINE)
Ignore WW1 (REMEMBER THE LUSITANIA)
Ignore WW2 (REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR).
Ignore terrorism (REMEMBER 9/11).
Patrick
Sorry Pat, I read your post in isolation and didn't realise I'd joined one of Ed and i reload's urination contests.
Yes, the US joined both world wars late, but only an idiot wouldn't admit that their help when it arrived was invaluable.
I like and remember Cpl Jones' jibe at the freshly arrived Yanks in Dad's Army, "My dad always said the only thing the Yanks managed to charge in the last shooting match was the 10% interest on the money they lent us!" Needless to say that starts a pub brawl.
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