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.....It has also been around for centuries. In the U.S., Colt made a Paterson revolver with a blade attached around 1837, and the U.S. Navy tested a knife-cutlass combination called the Elgin pistol about the same time. Other combinations of firearms with knives or spears were in use centuries earlier.
Yep, I should have known/remembered that.
Here's a repro. from flaydermans.com... still pricey!
(Q299) - EXPERIMENTAL, COMBINATION BOWIE KNIFE-PERCUSSION PISTOL (aka “CUTLASS PISTOL”) BY RENOWNED ENGLISH MAKERS NOTED FOR BOWIE-KNIVES AND AN EXTENSIVE LINE OF SMALL PERCUSSION, POCKET SIZE COMBINATION KNIFE-PISTOLS. The startling resemblance of this extremely well made and marked knife-pistol and the rare American counterpart, the “ELGIN CUTLASS PISTOLS” made circa 1837 BY C. B. ALLEN IN SPRINGFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS” and Morrill, Mosman & Blair (see F# 7C-014)… is obvious. This fine quality, experimental British dual purpose arm was made in that same era, circa late 1830’s. Whether it was the original pattern from which the Elgin was later fashioned, or vice versa, will likely always remain a mystery; however, there is no doubting its rarity. This large-sized specimen more closely resembles the U.S. Naval contract Elgin Cutlass pistol made by Allen (F # 6A-038). Its huge .60 caliber is larger than any of the American counterparts. Overall 15” with a 10-1/2” well made, broad, single edge Bowie blade with 5” “false edge” and 2” wide at its broadest point. The 4-1/2” octagon barrel retains almost all of its original Damascus spiral twist finish (wearing thin and mixing with age brown, but spiral pattern all visible) Barrel bears authentic fine markings almost its full length: “UNWIN & RODGERS. SHEFFIELD. EXP’L CUTLASS No. 4.” Delicately and profusely engraved iron frame and at extreme edge of muzzle; matching engraving on the hammer and iron butt cap (which is fitted with an engraved, hinged cap box). All metal exc. (and better); overall even age brown patina, showing just very slight wear. All markings and mechanically exc.+. Finely checkered walnut handle with light wear, consistent with the metal; exc. Two very narrow, short grooved lines (or deep scratches) on right near butt and a small gouge left side; oval silver inlay on back of handle. Lacks only the narrow iron belt hook that affixed to left side of frame; a simple matter to replace (the base of that minor part is intact, fastened by two tiny screws). Unwin & Rodgers established themselves in business in 1833; by the end of the 1830’s their broad product line had expanded greatly with emphasis on “Self-Defence Knives.” 1839 they were advertising their most distinctive product, a small combination dual purpose pocket-sized folding knife and single shot percussion pistol (later evolving to a breech-loading ctg. pistol) which became the mainstay of their product line for many years. Hence this extremely rare experimentally designed “cutlass pistol” decidedly contemporary to the Elgin and may possibly even preceded it! A superb piece of “arms curiosa!”...$12,500.
Originally Posted by
Jim K;62146I
....Later, bayonet revolvers, some with folding knives, some with detachable blades, were fairly common and still show up occasionally at gun shows. One single shot pistol went bayonet revolvers one better; it actually fired the knife blade instead of a bullet.
The only difference here from earlier bayonet pistols/revolvers is that the gun is a modern semi-auto pistol.
Jim
Thanks for the reply. Did they call the topic knife-bayo-critter "tactical?
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You better be careful when you return this thing to the holster.
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Tactical underwear, that's what I need. I hope it's water proof and has a good seal around the legs. Just what you need in "those situations."
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You don't need the whole tactical long johns, just the black nylon Kevlar tactical jock strap.
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"Tactical"-The moniker attached to anything black that costs 3-times what it's worth!
"Moy-chendizing, moy-chendizing....where the real money from the movie is made!" M. Brooks
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Originally Posted by
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"Tactical"-The moniker attached to anything black that costs 3-times what it's worth!
"Moy-chendizing, moy-chendizing....where the real money from the movie is made!" M. Brooks
Ain't that the truth!
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Now I could see a knife on a pistol if you had only one shot, or, in the case of the Webley you went on a trench raid (a bit of a problem reloading in the dark) However the pistol illustrated appeares to be a .45, and if you need more than the contents of the magazine you are fighting a velociraptor, not a human!