I finally found a nice Rock-Ola!!!

[painter777]

RMC also made stocks marked QRMC for Quality HMC. Along with RMC B marked stocks for IBM. Along with some other early transfer stock to Inland.

Charlie

[ScottR]

Ron, what old glory means is that it is a I-cut Rock-ola stock modified to low wood which is to early for your serial #.
The faint Cross cannons is hard to see, it could be a Quality Hardware or Inland. Is there a faint RMC in a box to the right of the cross cannons?
It is a very nice carbine.

Scott

[69 Stang]

that serial range should have oval cut low wood. RMC made stocks for several makers of carbines. the proper markings on the side of the stock will be the crossed cannons and RMC in a box for that gun.

[RonJon]

The crossed cannons is almost gone (my son could see it there, and I couldn't until I did the mineral oil trick to bring it out) - It was tricky to get it as good as I did with the camera set to 'Super Macro'. If there was an RMC next to it, I think it was probably obliterated by the RIA/EB mark. They must have almost sanded it away somewhere during it's career.

There is, however, a distinct "RMC" in the sling well, and I have a pretty clear picture of that.

The handguard also has a clear enough "RMC" (as pictured).

To ScottR -

"it is a I-cut Rock-ola stock modified to low wood which is to early for your serial #."

Or maybe the I-cut was the modification to an already low wood stock? (I don't know, but might that be another possibility?)

RonJon

[RonJon]

...This is scanned from Pg. 256 of Bruce Canfield's "Complete Guide to the M1 Garand and The M1 Carbine". I think it explains the apparent anomaly you mentioned, but that the stock is probably original after all:



And here is evidence that this stock was originally high wood, but the milling marks show that it was reworked (by RIA?) to low wood:


RonJon

[BrianQ]

Although the stock was made by Rock-Ola it was used by Quality Hardware. That’s why it has the early QHMC acceptance stamp next to the oiler slot as ScottR pointed out. So it is not the correct stock for a Rock-Ola carbine. The stock may have been on the carbine when it went through RIA for rebuild or it could have been matched up later by someone thinking since it was a Rock-Ola made stock it would be correct for a Rock-Ola carbine.

[RonJon]

Although the stock was made by Rock-Ola it was used by Quality Hardware. That’s why it has the early QHMC acceptance stamp next to the oiler slot as ScottR pointed out. So it is not the correct stock for a Rock-Ola carbine. The stock may have been on the carbine when it went through RIA for rebuild or it could have been matched up later by someone thinking since it was a Rock-Ola made stock it would be correct for a Rock-Ola carbine.

Where do you see the "Q" in this picture (or any of my pictures, above) before the "RMC" (not "HMC', as you stated)?


RonJon

[BrianQ]

Don't need to see a Q anywhere. Matter of fact most QHMC stocks are marked RMC in the sling well. The acceptance stamp on the right side tells which company had the stock when the carbine in it was accepted by the Ordnance Department inspectors.

[RonJon]

Don't need to see a Q anywhere. Matter of fact most QHMC stocks are marked RMC in the sling well. The acceptance stamp on the right side tells which company had the stock when the carbine in it was accepted by the Ordnance Department inspectors.

And what does the acceptance stamp that you see in my pictures say?

The only markings on the right side of the stock that I can make out are the "RIA/EB" (which probably was put right over the original "RMC" and obliterated it when the stock was modified to low wood), and what's left of the crossed cannons. I don't see any "Q"s or Quality Hardware, or any company designated anywhere. ("RIA" was Rock Island Arsenal, where the work was done, NOT the manufacturer, and the "EB" stood for Elmer Bjerke, who was in command of the arsenal).



So please tell me what you are talking about exactly.

BTW, Here (Also from Canfield's book) is what the marking in the sling well looks like if the stock was made by Rock-Ola for Quality Hardware:


RonJon

[BrianQ]

The shape of the acceptance stamp, which is often called the ordnance wheel, is different for each carbine manufacturer. Rock-Ola used a very distinctive style ordnance wheel that is vastly different than any other manufacturer.

Suggest you take a look at the “Stock and Handguard” paragraphs in Canfield’s book on page 260. BTW Canfields book barely dimples on the surface of the M1 Carbine and a lot of the info is incorrect and misleading.