Interesting Carbine article

[imarangemaster]

"B AA" If that carbine could tell it's story. Wow. I haven't seen the modification you talk about, but have heard of it. You should post a picture. It seems like a good idea.

I agree it is a much more natural pointer than an AR or AK. I have owned many of both through the years, but never did feel any were as natural as my Carbine. You are probably right about bore access in relation to sight height. Like a shot gun, the carbine lends itself to point shooting just looking across the top down the barrel. On a man sized target at 25 meters, shooting this way you would most certainly hit. My Saiga AK isn't to bad at point shooting, but no where near as easy as the carbine.

[imarangemaster]

PS

I did see the ring on a sliding peep on a type 3 that was cut off and the base had a square notch cut in it like an AK rear sight. The guy used it on the 200 or 250 yard setting. He liked it.

[jmoore]

We used to have an M1 Carbine sub-class at the "tactical" matches at Ft. Benning. I used to run a carbine and and several AR variants back to back during the day/night shoots. Even if we were running 10 round max capacity to be "PC", the carbines just wouldn't keep up.

Regardless, they are still quite useful and I like 'em-I've had one a lonnng time. (My first centerfire rifle, I think.)

[imarangemaster]

My cousin's NRA/DCM M1 carbine was the first centerfire rifle I fired. The first one I owned was a No4, Mk1 .303 Sporter. Killed lots of deer and hogs with that one.

If I had to fight a war, the Carbine would not be my first choice. AK103 in 7.62x39 first choice, M16A4 (not M4) with MK 262 Mod1 77 OTBT ammo second choice, then maybe Galil or even an HK G3.

For me (not fighting a war) the M1 Carbine full of 110 grn JSP Remington will do just fine to protect the house and farm. My Saiga 7.62x39 (with a RAM2000 ambi speed catch) would be a back up, but it is more than I need for the house.

[98Charlie]

Well, I have an old war story about my uncle that didn't care for the carbine. He went through training with the M1 rifle, and when he got to Korea, he was issued a carbine. Well, my uncle stands 6' 6" and the carbine was just too dang small for a guy his size. Another guy in his unit was rather upset too because he was trained on the carbine and was issued the M1 rifle in Korea, and he was a guy of rather small stature. Well, they just made a swap, and all turned out well.

I guess that the biggest complaint about the carbines knock-down power came from guys that used both the rifle and carbine in combat, and no, the carbine round isn't a .30-06... but I wouldn't want to get hit by either one.

[imarangemaster]

Don't get me wrong. I really love the M1 carbine, especially as a PDW (100 yards and less). As I said before, however, if I had to have a "assault rifle" to fight a war with, it would be an AK103 (current incarnation of the AKM). My restored Saiga shoots about 2 MOA with it's hammer forged barrel. I know that is blasphemy on this old timer GI board, but they are virtually indestructible and reliable beyond belief.

With that said, however, I am not fighting a war. My Underwood will sit on the shelf ready to defend the homestead...a task that I trust mine and my families life to it to do. The 110 grn Remington JSPs are VERY effective as a PDW round. It was, after all, the Army's first PDW, and was ahead of its time. In fact, at 5.5 pounds and 35 inches, I think The M1 (or M2) Carbine is an ideal PDW.

My apologies. I am not trying to be redundant, just to clarify.

[Brasidas]

My father carried an M1 carbine while serving as an Army forward observer in the 9th Infantry Division during WW2. He saw action in Africa, Sicily, Normandy and Germany. (I have a picture of him in Normandy, June 1944, carrying a carbine.)

He started with a Springfield, which he liked. He then tried a Garand and Thompson but ended up preferring the carbine because it was light, used a high capacity magazine, and he could quickly pull it from a scabbard and shoot while driving a jeep!

Since his job was about moving rapidly, avoiding contact, and keeping out of sight, it was the perfect choice defensive weapon.

When he had to use it, he was usually close to his target. It never once failed him.

He's still here to talk about it. That's pretty good proof of it's effectivness.

[imarangemaster]

Awesome! Any chance you could post the pic? I have pics of my dad on Iwo, but none with his carbine.

[Brasidas]

Awesome! Any chance you could post the pic? I have pics of my dad on Iwo, but none with his carbine.

Sure. I'll be seeing my Dad Thanksgiving week and get the pic from him, scan and post it. He's standing next to a knocked out German pillbox, holding his carbine. Pillbox was knocked out by naval gunfire he directed.