Building the Canadian Semi-Auto STEN

[Mick]

I am now in a postition to be able to ask exactly what modifications are acceptable for FRT numbers to be issued, as they are returning the guns for modifications to be made. I will post what's acceptable when I have it in writing.

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[tiriaq]

That is a very positive sign. Means that the concept has not been categorically rejected.

[Mick]

I know this post is not specific to building stens, but it is relevant to anyone building one.


I have heard it mentioned several times that if the FRT group do not approve guns submitted then you will loose them forever. This is not the case if you know what to do.


The way to force them to return the guns is first to register them. This can be done at any time, even when they are in possesion of them. It does not matter what they are registered as. The purpose of registering the gun/guns is to force the CFC into revoking the registration, not to obtain obtain a registration certificate.

Once this is done you can start court proceedings under section 74 ( this costs nothing ), and their findings are automatically suspended until the matter is reviewed by your provincial court. In the meantime they have to return the guns, as their classification of prohibited is not binding until ruled so by the court.

If you are successful in court then great, if not then the guns can be resubmitted, and the entire process repeated, time and time again.

There is no need to be intimidated by the FRT group, just use the law to play them at their own game.

[tiriaq]

I know this post is not specific to building stens, but it is relevant to anyone building one.


I have heard it mentioned several times that if the FRT group do not approve guns submitted then you will loose them forever. This is not the case if you know what to do.


The way to force them to return the guns is first to register them. This can be done at any time, even when they are in possesion of them. It does not matter what they are registered as. The purpose of registering the gun/guns is to force the CFC into revoking the registration, not to obtain obtain a registration certificate.

Once this is done you can start court proceedings under section 74 ( this costs nothing ), and their findings are automatically suspended until the matter is reviewed by your provincial court. In the meantime they have to return the guns, as their classification of prohibited is not binding until ruled so by the court.

If you are successful in court then great, if not then the guns can be resubmitted, and the entire process repeated, time and time again.

There is no need to be intimidated by the FRT group, just use the law to play them at their own game.

A refusal to issue a certificate or licence can be appealed in court.

[Mick]

A refusal to issue a certificate or licence can be appealed in court.

Exactly, and in the meantime they have to return the guns.

In my case they gave me two choices. "I could modify the guns and resubmit them", or I could "take the matter before a judge and let the judge decide."

I chose to take both options

[tiriaq]

Just to clarify - a person fills out an application to register, either online, or on paper. Either method requires a FRT number and verifier information, whether the verifier is a voice on the phone from Mirmichi, or a real live local verifier. The verifier matches the gun being registered to an existing FRT number. If there is no number, one has to be created. That's done by the good folks in Ottawa. The application to register is submitted. This doesn't register the gun, it starts the process to register. The gun isn't registered until a registration certificate is issued.
How does the method you have proposed work?

[Mick]

My mistake, I should have made it clear that a refusal to register ( for what ever reason ) is the same as a revocation as far as section 74 is concerned.

References to a Provincial Court Judge

74. (1) [Reference to judge of refusal to issue or revocation, etc] Subject to subsection (2) where

(a) a chief firearms officer or the Registrar refuses to issue or revokes a licence, registration certificate, authorisation to transport, authorisation to export or authorization to import,

[Mick]

A little knick knack tp prevent access to the trip lever through the bolt handle slot.

I will be submitting another sten this week.

[J. Savoie]

A little knick knack tp prevent access to the trip lever through the bolt handle slot.

It may well be me who's not "fast" enough but could you elaborate please?

All I see is the addition of a rounded piece of metal to the "tail" of the bolt.
Is it screwed-on? Details please.

[Mick]

It may well be me who's not "fast" enough but could you elaborate please?

All I see is the addition of a rounded piece of metal to the "tail" of the bolt.
Is it screwed-on? Details please.

It's pinned in place. As Tiriaq has said it covers the trip lever. It is about 5/8". The extra length makes no difference. As it happens the extra weight shortens the recoil stroke, but not enough to stop it working as it should.