Winchester/Underwood Model 1944 (USMC) model

[Bubba-7]

I spoke to JC about ten years ago. He was nice and very willing to help. I concluded he had too small a sample and relied upon other collectors too much. Maybe Chuch O. of Michican Carbine Collectors. Chuck O. was on the old Jouster a lot. He and George really got into it.
Anyone read LR's first book? A "Roast" I mean a book report is in the CC NL's.
I even read a carbine book about thirty years ago that said the blocks were spread around and blocks skipped to confuse the emeny on exactly how many carbines were producted.
JC's book is far from the worst.

[topaz]

This thread was not to bash anyone , It was just asking a question that was stated in a book. (J C Harrison) But some how it got off the subject. Harrison did not state anything It was pure speculation and undocumented so he states. The question was, does anyone have or seen one that`s all. Bill

[usgicollector]

Sounds like you are asking more about a WARDOR carbine you found. Search wardor on all the forums and google and you will find all kinds of wild and crazy stories and stampings on carbines and garands.
He was from OK if if recall and would stamp things like you talked about on stocks and give some wild a** story behind the markings and ask a huge price for them.
Here is some off his work: http://thefiringline.com/forums/atta...7&d=1246095666

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

I Anyone read LR's first book? A "Roast" I mean a book report is in the CC NL's.

This is LR's first book.

[topaz]

Sorry usgi not at all, That`s not what this thread is talking about . Its about in 1945 a group of Marines rec some carbines . They belong to the Honor Guard. and they might have been some sort of group thing or made special for that Honor Guard group. A rumor

[Bob Seijas]

Back in the 1980's there was a guy named Warren Dorrill, a retired Marine from Oklahoma, who specialized in fake USMC weapons. He had a set of beautiful stamps and usually placed a complete bogus history on the wood, stuff like a fake NM M1 with USMC SHOOTING TEAM on it, a M97 shotgun with FLEET MARINE POLICE HILO HAWAII, etc., etc. They are so outrageously fake that Texas collectors have coined the term WARDOR for them. They continue to surface like zombies as those who got hooked try to pass them on to unsuspecting rookies. Fortunately, the guy died ten years ago.

[topaz]

Thanks, I think i`m talking about Harrison book on page 24 about the 6th marines, Not a person selling bogus carbines. I don`t think that`s what he was talking about. Thanks anyway.. Bill

[jimb16]

Hey Jim! I've got that book myself! Has some great examples of the Inland Heiroglyphics.....

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Hey Jim! I've got that book myself! Has some great examples of the Inland Heiroglyphics.....

Released 1979, but I don't think I got it until 1983 or 84. There are a lot of things in it I like. The scope mounting bars, cases, tools (I'm still looking for a complete reamer). At the time, other then FM23's, I thought it was the best thing out.

[jdorrill]

Back in the 1980's there was a guy named Warren Dorrill, a retired Marine from Oklahoma, who specialized in fake USMC weapons. He had a set of beautiful stamps and usually placed a complete bogus history on the wood, stuff like a fake NM M1 with USMC SHOOTING TEAM on it, a M97 shotgun with FLEET MARINE POLICE HILO HAWAII, etc., etc. They are so outrageously fake that Texas collectors have coined the term WARDOR for them. They continue to surface like zombies as those who got hooked try to pass them on to unsuspecting rookies. Fortunately, the guy died ten years ago.

You're talking about my dad. You never met him and you have no idea what he was as a person. One thing he wouldn't do is talk about you behind your back, and he damn sure wouldn't disrespect you if you were dead. He went way out of his way to help a lot of people, just ask anyone that was on the gun collectors tour. He was a damn fine craftsman and a great pilot and he cared very much for his family and friends as well as his employees. Quality in his workmanship is renown in every field he ever worked in from the days of the paint and body shops where he not only repaired the metal he also upholstered cars and trucks and rebuilt wrecked airplanes. There were some people who worked for him or befriended him who went on to do some things that reflected bad on him and his company. many of those folks are still still out there reaping profits off of his knowledge and craftsmanship obviously they have no ethics and are subject to no charges. And they sure don't bother to return any of the tools or equipment or vehicles or houses he bought them to help get them in a better position in life. Weapons were his stock and trade for almost 40 years. He worked up until the day he died. By the way he was not a career marine. And his office was in Prescott. Not OK. that is where is mom, my grandmother lived. She's dead now too, you want to say something derogatory about her? Since you seem to be good at that.