No.4 Mk I T

[Roger Payne]

This area always seems to look 'rough' on Rose Brothers brackets, though some look a lot worse than others. I don't know, & maybe Peter or someone can shed some light on it, but it crossed my mind that perhaps this could have been the position of the 'riser' when the brackets were cast in the sand mould??

[twh]

Thanks for the comments and information on the wording on the chest. The bracket hasn't been welded on it's just rough from the casting process as far as I can tell.

[vintage hunter]

Here's a couple more Rose Brothers brackets for comparison.

[chosenman]

This area always seems to look 'rough' on Rose Brothers brackets, though some look a lot worse than others. I don't know, & maybe Peter or someone can shed some light on it, but it crossed my mind that perhaps this could have been the position of the 'riser' when the brackets were cast in the sand mould??

That's exactly it Roger. My first job out of the army was in an iron foundry, I ran the furnace at Rayne Foundry for several years. The circular area found on many brackets is where the metal was poured into the mould and the stub has been quickly cleaned off in the fettling shop. On occasions you also find small areas that look like pitting, this is "slag" burnt rubbish that escaped being scooped off the surface of the liquid metal and found its way into the mould.

[RobD]

Roger,
I'm very impressed, as I have been before, at how swiftly you recognise different bracket manufacturers and your own brackets, from little features in their appearance.
Could you possibly do a sticky where you indicate the different identifying features?
Whilst this could theoretically enable the fakers to make better fakes - and thus be a "bad thing", I don't think a pictorial guide would raise the fakers' game. After all, a perfect fake is just an identical cast of an original, it doesn't matter what are the features of that original.
A pictorial guide would be useful to us to identify the different brackets.
How about it?
Rob

[Roger Payne]

Well Rob, I suppose it's just that I've owned a few rifles scopes & brackets now over several decades of collecting. I've also been getting the repro brackets made now since 1989/90 when I received the first batch. All of them have required hand finishing, which I always do myself (apart from a very few released to the trade 'as is' in the past, & about twenty that forummer Nigel G fettled up himself), which amounts to somewhere between 500 & 600. That's a lot of filing! And of course one gets to notice subtle little variations.......

If there's interest I could take a few photo's to illustrate some different variations, but don't press me on time scale! Am trying to get stock ready for the Trafalgar on Saturday, get myself psyched up for the task of digitising my RFD records, & so on. Thank heavens I don't have to go to 'proper' work any more (sorry to rub it in)!

ATB.

[Bindi2]

[QUOTE=Roger Payne;312208]Well Rob, I suppose it's just that I've owned a few rifles scopes & brackets now over several decades of collecting. I've also been getting the repro brackets made now since 1989/90 when I received the first batch. All of them have required hand finishing, which I always do myself (apart from a very few released to the trade 'as is' in the past, & about twenty that forummer Nigel G fettled up himself), which amounts to somewhere between 500 & 600. That's a lot of filing! And of course one gets to notice subtle little variations.......

If there's interest I could take a few photo's to illustrate some different variations, but don't press me on time scale! Am trying to get stock ready for the Trafalgar on Saturday, get myself psyched up for the task of digitising my RFD records, & so on. Thank heavens I don't have to go to 'proper' work any more (sorry to rub it in)!

ATB.[/QUOTE

RP this is proper work. The correct records needs to be out there for all to know. As well as PL you know what we need to know other wise myth will reign. Time is short the desire is great the knowledge is shrinking, print will preserve the knowledge.

[Peter Laidler]

Without doubt the grinding is from what I call the 'blow hole' or the 'pouring hole' as described. But to be honest, the aesthetyics don't count for too much in real service life. Look at a bedford truck or a Land Rover..... If you got a car with door shut lines like that you'd go ape...... I almost forgot that my sisters Morris Marina and my MGB GT V8 DID have door shut lines like that!!!!!

[Surpmil]

Looks like where the pouring hole was in the sand mold; there doesn't seem to be anywhere else it could be. Just not ground as thoroughly as the earlier production.

Edit: Didn't read the thread, but I see Brian already covered this, with the proper terminology: "riser"

[Brian Dick]

Having filed/fitted several of Roger's brackets myself over the years, I'd guess each individual finisher has a distinct "look" to his work not to mention blacked vs phosphate and paint finish.

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Very nice rifle btw.