SMLE MK V on gunbroker

[jmoore]

I'd vote to make something similar to Bindi2's response the automatic reply to most all "what's it worth?" questions. Even the big box stores change their prices. Takes lots of research and knowledge of both local and global markets to make a determination. And it's still going to be imprecise.

[Badger]

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1924 ShtLE No.1 MkV Rifle (117 pic photo montage)

Regards,
Doug

[boltaction]

I'd vote to make something similar to Bindi2's response the automatic reply to most all "what's it worth?" questions. Even the big box stores change their prices. Takes lots of research and knowledge of both local and global markets to make a determination. And it's still going to be imprecise.

Fair enough, but you're both missing the point. The reason I asked is because this IS mostly a global market now. Firearms movement is a little more tricky, but most of us have imported things in from the US if we really want them. There are local differences, and sometimes I find things at a small auction or local gunshow which are under priced, but that is really pretty uncommon now (for me anyway). I talk to fellow collectors who still run into family members of deceased collectors and get things for a really good price, but that is also not common now, or ethical in my view. With the internet, even little auctions can be online, Ebay puts rare bayonets in the middle of Manitoba out there for everyone to bid on, and forums like CGN make the milsurp market national. I don't really find that there is a "local" market so much any more--I've only been collecting since 1983, but things have changed even in that time.

So, yes something is only worth what you're willing to pay for it, BUT if someone offered a matching SMLE Mk V for $1200 would that be more than it's worth? $1500? $800? I ask not because I've found one, but because I'm interested in the group's opinion of what one would be ballpark worth in today's market in case I ever do, disregarding the fantasy of finding one at a local garage sale. If anyone needs a reminder about the power of a national market, look at Garands. I've never understood the appeal of them myself--good guns, but just guns--but how did even a ragtag one, in Canada, with parts from all manufacturers suddenly become "worth" 600+? It's because somebody set a price there, that price went national on places like CGN, and everyone was willing to pay it. I guess I just answered my own question--it would be worth what I was willing to pay to not let someone else own it, regardless of what various "experts" said.

Cheers

[B & B ARSENAL]

BTW, if anyone wanted to know, this incomplete Mk V sold for $660.00.

Enfield 303 Bolt Action Rifle : Bolt Action at GunBroker.com

[bigduke6]

BTW, if anyone wanted to know, this incomplete Mk V sold for $660.00.

Enfield 303 Bolt Action Rifle : Bolt Action at GunBroker.com

The best $660 I have spent in a long time.

[Patrick Chadwick]

The best $660 I have spent in a long time.

I'm happy for you, but not quite convinced by the $660.

First of all, that was (I presume) the winning bid at the auction. In the USA. Not the UK.
So it has to be posted to you - large, awkward package. Does that go by ordinary mail to you, or by an approved courier service to a registered dealer (as is compulsory here in Mauserland). Do you have to pay for an import license? Customs duties? And then when you've actually got it, you need some bits. The wood plus bands plus nosecap plus screws are available. For a price.

We all tend to kid ourselves about this sort of thing "Honestly dear, it only cost 100" and suppressing the fact that those missing bits easily cost the same again - or more. OK, it's a project, and keeps us off the streets, but, dear bigduke6, I reckon that by the time you have that MkV back in original configuration at a shooting range, you will actually have spent more like $1000.

Not that it matters in the long term. In the long term we are all dead, and those bits of paper with numbers on are then useless to us. So let's just enjoy our toys while we can, and stop worrying about what they cost!

I confess to some slight irritation at those people whose contribution to these forums seems to be limited to a first time appearance with "I just got a milsurp, what's it worth?" and nothing else. Likewise, those contributors who complain about what they consider to be excessive prices, while revealing that they have dozens of the same type, have only themselves to blame. I would, for instance, like to have a good-shooting Springfield 03-A3. But if I had 10 of them, I could not shoot any more or better, I would merely be preventing 9 others from enjoying shooting with this type of rifle.

Oh dear, my apologies to all, this is turning into a rant! But let's keep off the subject of money. Just enjoy shooting with the old bangers!

Patrick

[jmoore]

Here's a sticky posted by Bill Ricca on M14tfl.com that seems to work for them.:

What's it worth? Reminder

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There is a permanent thread addressing these types of threads being posted on the various forums of the M14 Firing Line Forum.

Read This and please refrain from using the Firing Line as a substitute for each individual's responsibility. Any threads asking for a value will be deleted.

Also if you should decide to answer one of those questions, please refrain from giving a value. Without seeing the item, you can be doing an injustice to either the buyer or seller by stating a value.
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Keep The History Alive

End quote.

Just an idea!

---------- Post added at 05:13 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:09 AM ----------

"Read This" in the above is a link to the particulars. Sorry I can't currently do a better job of quoting, but I'm on antiqueware right now.

[bigduke6]

I'm happy for you, but not quite convinced by the $660.

First of all, that was (I presume) the winning bid at the auction. In the USA. Not the UK.
So it has to be posted to you - large, awkward package. Does that go by ordinary mail to you, or by an approved courier service to a registered dealer (as is compulsory here in Mauserland). Do you have to pay for an import license? Customs duties? And then when you've actually got it, you need some bits. The wood plus bands plus nosecap plus screws are available. For a price.

We all tend to kid ourselves about this sort of thing "Honestly dear, it only cost 100" and suppressing the fact that those missing bits easily cost the same again - or more. OK, it's a project, and keeps us off the streets, but, dear bigduke6, I reckon that by the time you have that MkV back in original configuration at a shooting range, you will actually have spent more like $1000.

Not that it matters in the long term. In the long term we are all dead, and those bits of paper with numbers on are then useless to us. So let's just enjoy our toys while we can, and stop worrying about what they cost!

I confess to some slight irritation at those people whose contribution to these forums seems to be limited to a first time appearance with "I just got a milsurp, what's it worth?" and nothing else. Likewise, those contributors who complain about what they consider to be excessive prices, while revealing that they have dozens of the same type, have only themselves to blame. I would, for instance, like to have a good-shooting Springfield 03-A3. But if I had 10 of them, I could not shoot any more or better, I would merely be preventing 9 others from enjoying shooting with this type of rifle.

Oh dear, my apologies to all, this is turning into a rant! But let's keep off the subject of money. Just enjoy shooting with the old bangers!

Patrick

Did all the sums beforehand Patrick, and have all the bits on hand ready to fit, also I have its younger brother by 31 rifles (see the restorers corner) so its worth a lot more to me than most, plus to ship it over on its own would still be cost efective, but its coming over with some other items care of Brian Dick, BDL Ltd and again a big thanks to Brian for all the help.

There is one at present for sale in the UK for 1400 pounds, (my Pound sign on laptop not working) maybe expensive to some but if your looking for a No1 Mk V in the UK then thats what your going to have to pay, must admit its a bit out of my price range, I,m more into the old bangers you mention, and most I get are on deaths row, but enjoy bringing them back to some sort of reasonable shooting condition.

[Brian Dick]

I'm looking forward to the pics of the old ROF Fazakerley site. It kinda does my heart good to send Faz rifles back to Liverpool!

[bigduke6]

I'm looking forward to the pics of the old ROF Fazakerley site. It kinda does my heart good to send Faz rifles back to Liverpool!

Brian, Was doing some research weekend just gone, problem I have is the central libary in Liverpool is undergoing a major change, and not open till next year, most of the historical stuff on microfilm is available, in the museum next door, But the section of books I wanted I cant get too.
I was also researching two medal groups I have, so killed two birds with one stone

(Dont know if anyone knows, but for anyone interested in history or doing research and dont want to subscribe to the Ancestory site you can use your local libary PC for this, but would guess it will be busy in April as this is when the 1911 Census is released.)

Have a few pics etc of the area, but am trying to find some pics of the origianal factory.
On the subject there are many who say, ROF Fazakerley near Liverpool, would like to point out Fazakerley is in Liverpool, also there was two ROF,s in Liverpool one which we all know of, and another in Kirkby which was a Munitions Factory.