A mint unfired 42 Maltby, Trying to value it

[rayg]

Ok, how many Maltby's do you think there are still out there that are still in mint condt. and never fired since proofing and with no import stamps, "England", or British proofs stamps on the muzzle? And still having all the expiedient parts on it. And which has not been molested in any way with the exception of the initials on the stock, and who knows what they mean or who added them. Some posters on line keep guessing a value by referring to one with a non original issue rear sight, as their low estimate price of $600 to $1000 not stating condition. All I need is a price estimate of a minty one comparable to mine as it is, with no import stamps and still with expiedient parts. Ray
PS don't pay any attention to Hambone as he's been trying to buy mine for many years at that $700 price. He already has a nice one. Don't know why he wants mine also, Lol . Ray

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[Hambone]

Ok, how many Maltby's do you think there are still out there that are still in mint condt. and never fired since proofing and with no import stamps, "England", or British proofs stamps on the muzzle? And still having all the expiedient parts on it. And which has not been molested in any way with the exception of the initials on the stock, and who knows what they mean or who added them. Some posters on line keep guessing a value by referring to one with a non original issue rear sight, as their low estimate price of $600 to $1000 not stating condition. All I need is a price estimate of a minty one comparable to mine as it is, with no import stamps and still with expiedient parts.

PS don't pay attention to Hambone as he's been trying to buy mine for many years at that $700 price. He aaid that he already has a nice one. Don't know why he want mine, Lol . Ray

Ray,
This is about transparency, candor, and good information. You are not telling the truth. You offered it to me for $800 about two years ago as it was about the only thing unsold on your list. I declined because I, and everyone else who saw the list evidently felt that too high. About six months ago I inquired again, said I would pay the $800 and you fidgeted all about and declined, stating it was now worth much more than that. No problem, that's your right. I thought my $800 offer to be fair and honest and consistent with what you wanted. That's it.

If you are really asking opinions and not shopping your rifle by "inquiring as to value" on the various forums, then you should have no problem with my opinion. You evidently thought I was being less than honest with you when I told you privately that I thought the rifle was worth between $600 and $1000. That has now been independently confirmed at Gunboards Enfield forum and here as well. Nothing I've emailed or posted is untrue or controversial. You've been shopping for blind bids on that rifle on forums for years now, knowing that posts like this will solicit private inquiries, i.e., you're engaged in blind bidding games. I took the bait but the game has worn me out. On our site I wouldn't allow it because it encourages bad deal conduct. I told you privately months ago what you've been told on GB and here: if you do not wish to place it with a price on a WTS forum, put it on the Gunbonker auction and see what happens. At the end of the day it's a nice No.4 Maltby that was surplussed from some foreign country. it isn't the world's most desirable Enfield No. 4. Most of the guys here have nice Maltbys. I do, for $350 at auction six years ago. The difference between mine and yours is a $25 (if I wanted to replace it) substitute standard cocking piece and about 5% points of blue, and my stock isn't popped with "FNR" which for me is not desirable. I'm sure someone here or at Gunboards could get it if they offered you $1200 for the rifle alone, which is the price you are angling for with these "how much is it worth" posts on all the Enfield forums. Good luck with that, I'm not paying it nor do I want to have to buy your Luftwaffe trousers to get it. Maybe someone somewhere needs the world's finest Maltby No.4 for $1200 and some small Luftwaffe trousers Good luck.
Cheers,
HB

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Hambone: I used a company called "Borderview" but I can't recall if they work both ways. My recollection is that it was around $200 per rifle all in (a nice '16 Mk III, and a fair Ishapore Mk I**IP). Check their website as they have pretty good info. Regards.

Ridolpho

Thank you much Ridolpho. I will look at that. I know that Simson's does some importing from Canada. They had nice Inglis pistols, some with the decals, and discretely importer marked on the insides of the mag wells. From what I've seen, for many things Canadian and US prices are close, such that the $200 kicker and import marking required here may make the pain level too high, unless it something rare and cool.

[rayg]

Here's a few more photo's. Will get a few more later. PS I added the sling//
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[rayg]

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[CINDERS]

Well you've fished the forum pretty dry with no more flounder to be caught I suggest you put in on GB and see where it goes rather than flail on here because the horse died of natural causes and the jockey with no horse said eff that I am done.
Anyway good luck with your endevours to sell it I doubt Hambone will be knocking on your door for those trousers unless he likes being drafty........

[rayg]

It was fun, informational and kept me occupied. Isn't that what these boards are for, Lol, Ray

[30Three]

This has been an interesting post. I can see the rifle is in fabulous condition; but how can you be sure that it is unfired apart from proofing? Unless you've personally picked it up from the proof house and stuck it in the safe.
I have a Maltby that was stored for over 70 year's; it was a parachute drop to the local French Resistance in the summer of 1944. It came with a bandolier of the original ammo and the original bayonet and oil bottle.
When I got it; there were no wear marks on the magazine plate or the bolt rail edge. But I know for a fact it has been fired; not enough to show any real wear and tear; but fired all the same.
It cost 750 Euro's.

[rayg]

This has been an interesting post. I can see the rifle is in fabulous condition; but how can you be sure that it is unfired apart from proofing? Unless you've personally picked it up from the proof house and stuck it in the safe.
I have a Maltby that was stored for over 70 year's; it was a parachute drop to the local French Resistance in the summer of 1944. It came with a bandolier of the original ammo and the original bayonet and oil bottle.
When I got it; there were no wear marks on the magazine plate or the bolt rail edge. But I know for a fact it has been fired; not enough to show any real wear and tear; but fired all the same.
It cost 750 Euro's.

30Three, Yours sounds like a real nice rifle also and with a great history. Mine may just be a little unique in being minty and still as it just it came off the assembly line, less the unknown stock stamp, and having the disposal parts and no England or import stamps. Can't be too many like it you think?
As to being unfired, you are right on that claim, and which means probably no rifle can not claim to be unfired after proofing as there probably is no way to prove it. Firing is firing, I will never use that claim again, Lol, Ray

[Fruler]

In my area it's a $500 or $600 max... I purchased a early 1952 no4 mk2 that's wasn't a contract rifle for $400 this year and it's a beautiful example of a no4 mk2. I thought I paid too much at the time but it's condition has convinced me otherwise. In general the smle, no4 mk1 and no4 mk2 will go for about $400-500 after negotiating prices. Jungle carbines are higher for some reason... a LGS has a very very rough condition ishapore SMLE for $100... It's beyond repair IMO. Im in the show me state.

[rayg]

Quote: Fruler. In my area it's a $500 or $600 max... I purchased a early 1952 no4 mk2 that's wasn't a contract rifle for $400 this year and it's a beautiful example of a no4 mk2. I thought I paid too much at the time but it's condition has convinced me otherwise. In general the smle, no4 mk1 and no4 mk2 will go for about $400-500 after negotiating prices. Jungle carbines are higher for some reason... a LGS has a very very rough condition ishapore SMLE for $100... It's beyond repair IMO.
Im in the show me state. Quote:

Well, here' a show me...Lol

And just for information, it just got sold it for $1100. Which is probably still under value for what it is and a good buy for the new owner. Before people make value opinions they should really do some research first. Knowledgeable British collectors knew the value as seen post #24. I'm sure the rifle is probably even more rarer in the states, Ray