1944 FTR'd, but when was it first built? No cut-off...Original maker?Tx

**Garandrew** · 12-01-2010 02:39 PM

Krinko..The forestock SN matches!! Not civvy replaced! I dont know about buttstock? 214 on side??
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**Garandrew** · 12-01-2010 09:11 PM

**Thunderbox** · 12-02-2010 05:13 AM

By 1944, the rifle would usually have been built & rebuilt using beech furniture and features such as later pattern cocking piece - if not a No4 cocking piece and striker. I'd have expected to see a beech No4 butt on this type of rifle, instead of the walnut NO type. I expect its done the rounds since 1944, and has had several parts replaced.

**Garandrew** · 12-02-2010 05:20 AM

Thunder, the cocking piece and bolt appear to be original, unless the cocking piece has been replaced? Is the butt stock not original to the 1944 Dispersal rebuild?

**bouletbill** · 12-02-2010 05:37 AM

Green paint ... well spotted Sherlock ! though if the gun has been paint stripped so thoroughly , why leave a splodge on the butt ? Is the butt an original type , seems to have a No4 plate unless I'm mistaken .

If ZF becomes common knowledge then I guess dealers will be scrubbing them off . Maybe it stands for Zimbabwe Fusiliers ???

**Garandrew** · 12-02-2010 03:43 PM

Well....is it a club, or a rifle?

**jrhead75** · 12-02-2010 07:38 PM

Maybe it stands for Zimbabwe Fusiliers ???

I've already seen a No4 for sale attributed to the "Zuider Force"...apparently a top secret Dutch resistance unit funded and supplied by the British icon

during The Big One.

Well....is it a club, or a rifle?

If it were mine, it'd be a club. The only indisputable fact here is that you have a big "ZF" painted on the butt of that poor ol' girl, and the meaning of that mark is pretty unambiguous. Without proper inspection/guaging by a qualified and properly equipped armo(u)rer, anything else is pure speculation.

**Garandrew** · 12-03-2010 07:52 AM

Evidenatlly this didnt begin its life as a rifle with cut off..so what was it in its first birth?

**bouletbill** · 12-03-2010 04:10 PM

I thought all BSA 1930's production were MkIII* with cut-off , though I may well be wrong . I suspect yours is a "bitza" , perhaps a WWI unused action built up and issued for WWII . That's my threepenniworth and it's pure speculation .

**5thBatt** · 12-03-2010 05:12 PM

Maybe a old SSA or NRF MkIII* receiver, hence the need to scrub the original Royal cypher.

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