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[lboos]

it's almost all about quality control. I am an expert, I can do it better than an automated assembly line that only spot checks lots, and with greater consistency from round to round. I trust myself and my attention to detail. I do this (attention to detail that is) for a living. I get that other's are not confident in their ability to pay attention to detail and process and don't want to load their own.

my neighbor also cries "cleaning your gutters is best left to the professional", but I do this better and more carefully than them too.

Very good reasons, and I'm sure you are an expert, but even experts need some quality control, you can't do it yourself, esp. when your dealing with ammo.

I think it was ole Abe that said: The man who defends himself in court, has a fool for a lawyer and a jackass for a client.

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[jond41403]

Very good reasons, and I'm sure you are an expert, but even experts need some quality control, you can't do it yourself, esp. when your dealing with ammo.

I think it was ole Abe that said: The man who defends himself in court, has a fool for a lawyer and a jackass for a client.

I agree, I have many many friends who have reloaded most of their adult lives and every single one of them has had at least a couple accidents whether it be equipment failure, or just simply got distracted that one time, which is all it takes. Had a friend that accidentally double charged a casing without realizing it, bye bye expensive Colt Python. He was lucky he came out without one single scratch. I am OCD by nature, but I am also human and make mistakes so I have always been more comfortable with factory loads. I'll shoot an average of six or 7,000 rounds a year of various calibers year after year and all I have ever experienced is the occasional dud, can't say I have ever experienced anything"hot" that at least wasn't supposed to be. Another reason I have always decided not to reload is simply times sake, I don't have much of it, that would cut too much into my shooting time haha

[ssgross]

need some quality control, you can't do it yourself

hmm. I dunno about that.

[floydthecat]

Have a friend who’s wife blew-up a brand new S&W. Remington bought her a new gun. I have seen at least two ammo recalls in the last few days. One never knows exactly what is going to happen when you drop the hammer on a factory round. If you load it yourself, nobody’s fault but your on if you blow yourself up. I look for more ammo problems due the companies struggling to keep up with demand. New hires, multiple shifts and pressure to get the product out the door before the boom ends. No pun intended.

[Ben Cartwright]

I think is it mostly to save money, 45/70 can cost $2.00 per round but loading it yourself is 50 cents or less, maybe 25 cents if you cast your own bullets

[DaveHH]

When I was doing bench rest and military shoots with the M1 Rifle in the 80's, I did extensive testing with the 30-06. It was remarkable how much things changed when the load was right. I always used 4064 as it was the best overall. I used the best bullets you could buy at the time that was Sierra 168 gr Internationals. Primers were just regular large rifle and cases varied but were mostly LC and SL. At 100 yds (our longest range) with 45 gr of 4064 the rifle shot teacup sized groups. With 48 grs of 4064 it would shoot 5 shot groups you could cover with a US quarter. That is worth the time and effort. I won 5 bench rest shoots with that rifle.
I can reload lead 158 gr or 148 gr commercially produced lead bullets in a .38 Sp for about $4 a box, 45 cal for about the same. 9mm using plated 125 gr lead for $4-6 depending on cost of powder. You get 1000+ shots per pound of Bullseye the same with Red Dot and about half that with Unique, 2400 etc. I reload in 50 round batches and look into every case to see powder and amount. In 40+ years I've had maybe 5 FTF and they were all bad primers, no accidents. Anyone who thinks that this is a bad idea needs their head examined. When I shot trap, you HAD to reload @$2 a box. You can duplicate any fancy hot rod ammunition you want, you just need to buy more expensive bullets. I think that most people who are afraid to reload are afraid to reload. It is just like anything else learn and do it right.

[floydthecat]

There is a certain amount of risk vs. reward in anything we do. Flying is risky, driving is risky, walking down stairs is risky. In the current environment, just going outside among people is risky. If one wants to avoid the risk, avoid the activity, stay home and lock yourself in the bedroom.

If one shoots enough commercial ammo, that squib or double-charged load is going to eventually show up. This alone does not prevent me from shooting commercial ammo, but just to say accidents do happen with commercial ammo. If one shoots his own reloads, it’s certainly possible for things to happen. I don’t shoot anybody else's reloads and don’t expect anybody to shoot mine.

[DaveHH]

There was a good point mentioned: When you fly commercial jets, you hand your a$$ to the airline and they give it back to you when they land. For 60 years or so, every pilot was an AF vet with thousands of hours. Now they hire people according to their race and most have never been in the service. And you are afraid of a double charge of Bullseye? In Calif we have hundreds of thousands of people driving around with no license or insurance. Their last mode of transportation was a donkey in Oaxaca. And you are afraid of a squib load?

" I have many many friends who have reloaded most of their adult lives and every single one of them has had at least a couple accidents whether it be equipment failure, or just simply got distracted that one time, which is all it takes." That is a sweeping generality!

People who are incapable of "Quality Control" should not attempt anything: painting the shed in back, mowing the lawn, driving a car etc.

[jond41403]

Wasn't really meant as a sweeping generality, the friend I am referring to is a 75-year-old veteran that has reloaded all his adult life, and he accidentally double charged a case and blew up his Colt Python. That mistake almost made him quit reloading all together because he says he has always been extremely careful and has always had the same routine all his life when reloading. He sits in a room by himself, no one is allowed to knock on the door or even speak to him during the hour he sets aside each day to reload. He has no tvs, no radios in the room, nothing to distract him and he still managed to double charge a case. All I am saying is the absolute truth, every one of my reloading buddies has had at least one accident if not a couple throughout their reloading careers. And of course the same thing can happen with factory ammo as well, it just seems a lot less likely factory-wise which is why I am more comfortable going that route. I'm not exaggerating when I say I shoot at least 6 to 7,000 rounds every year of various calibers, can you imagine how long that would take me to reload that many every year? I would be spending way more time loading than shooting which is the exact opposite of my goal in life ha ha. I have nothing at All against reloaders, most of my shooting buddies are exactly that ��

[floydthecat]

I won’t even use progressive equipment. One at a time by the numbers and powder loaded with specific dippers or measured. I want to see and feel every step….nothing automatic especially powder dispensing and bullet seating.