POF No4 Mk1 sniper ?

[Miller Tyme]

* ** Good evening all;

* * Being a collector of mostly Mosin Nagant Snipers I have come seeking input one a recent Enfield No4 Mk1 sniper that I acquired. I bought it for a very reasonable price after being reassured the scope and mount where worth more than I paid for the whole rifle.*
What I have been able to find out so far with the help of a couple of very knowledgeable collectors is as follows;

The stock has been stripped and refinished with to markings to indicate its and original H&H stock

The rifle is marked on the butt socket ring by the POF /Pakistan Ordnance Factories

It appears to have been surplused by the British post WW2*

It is also stamped "TR" as well as "FTR" (factory through repairs)

The barrel is a Canadian Long Branch barrel dated 44/45

The rear sight is a Stevens / Savage

The scope mount is a Rose Bros. (JG) has been re-serialed to this rifle* (the old S/N being AP3754)

The scope is a* N0 32 Mk3

The front sight block appears to have the screws properly staked with no signs of ever having been reused.


There is some thought that the rifle was set up by the Pakistanis, but that is just an idea thrown around with nothing to solidly back it up.

So my question to you Ladies and Gentlemen, Has anyone ever seen one like this, and what are your thoughts on this beast.


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[capt14k]

I have never seen one but Milsurps Forum would be the place to ask. They have a former British armorer who knows just about everything there is to know about Enfields.

[CINDERS]

Those in the know will certainly advise you about your rifle the butt has been heavily sanded as where it meets the butt socket the wood should be proud of that, I have no idea why there would be waxed paper shimming the butt unless they did a cruddy job on fitting up and used that to take up slack.
Was there any serial No. on the section of the wrist that goes into the socket as it was often stamped there so the butt stayed with the rifle, also look under the top woods etc they also penciled No.s in there mine has the No.3 penciled in on both top woods and the bottom wood have not taken the butt off to look but it bears all the H&H stamping.

My 1944 AK & S No. is 16684 so pretty close to yours I think they started at 1500 in 1944.

[Miller Tyme]

Those in the know will certainly advise you about your rifle the butt has been heavily sanded as where it meets the butt socket the wood should be proud of that, I have no idea why there would be waxed paper shimming the butt unless they did a cruddy job on fitting up and used that to take up slack.
Was there any serial No. on the section of the wrist that goes into the socket as it was often stamped there so the butt stayed with the rifle, also look under the top woods etc they also penciled No.s in there mine has the No.3 penciled in on both top woods and the bottom wood have not taken the butt off to look but it bears all the H&H stamping.

My 1944 AK & S No. is 16684 so pretty close to yours I think they started at 1500 in 1944.

Thanks for the reply Cinders, no numbers under the wood, couple of faint inspector stamps on the hand guard.

[Lee Enfield]

FULL STOP!

Your rifle is not marked POF, it is marked ROF 41 !

It is either a Maltby, but more likely one of the extremely RARE Fazakerly No4Ts!

a 1941 Maltby would usually be roll engraved as:
"ROFM No4MkI. 1941"
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread....l=1#post207102


where yours only shows the "No4MkI" and has the date on the butt socket
Deactivated Old Spec WWII British Made Lee Enfield No4 MKI Rifle - Allied Deactivated Guns - Deactivated Guns
1941 Fazakerley made Lee Enfield - Enfield-Rifles.com


Either way you have struck GOLD

It looks like it's slotted for the cut off too??

[smle addict]

The "GF" on the scope mount indicates "Gujarat Forces"-India State forces.

[Macca]

They're quite unique stamps on the butt socket.
Is there a S stamp on the cut off block?

[Seaforth72]

Good catch "lee enfield." ROF not POF. The serial number starting with 2 would be consistent with Fazakerley.

None of the No.4 rifles made in WWII should have had the magazine cut-off except for those made from spare receivers of the No.1 Mk.VI assembled circa 1940-1941 after the BEF lost so many weapons in France. The pre-war No.1 Mk.VI and No. 4 Mk.I Trials rifles of course were still in the system and many retained their magazine cut-offs.

[Roger Payne]

Yes, it appears to be a Faz & it appears to look kosher, at least IMHO. In fact, I'd even go as far as to say it has 'the look' of a rifle set up at Enfield rather than H&H - just a feel from the appearance of the pads & their fitting (although I'm presuming there isn't an examiner's mark on the front pad, so I'm not being pedantic about it). I have seen the 'TR' with serif on Trials T's before, as well. It's obviously seen a chequered life & has lots of replacement parts, but the guts of it look correct to me.

One way to help to confirm if it is a Faz rifle would be to remove the fore end & have a look at the draws. AFAIK Faz rifles are the only ones that are asymmetrically shaped; the lightening cuts on the left draw were never made.

[Miller Tyme]

Thanks everyone for your valuable input. I will be getting further pics and checking on other markings on my rifle. I have been wanting for some time to collect sniper rifles other Comm.block rifles and it looks like this one will be a good addition to my collection.