scope mount on a M1917

[gunner]

I got an T stamped Winchester M1917 without scope and scopemount. Is it possible to use the P 14 scopemount or is there an extra one for the M 1917?

Thank you in advance

Gunner

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[JGaynor]

I got an T stamped Winchester M1917 without scope and scopemount. Is it possible to use the P 14 scopemount or is there an extra one for the M 1917?

Thank you in advance

Gunner

There were at least two different types of P14 scope mount. I would expect both are pretty hard to find separate from a rifle.

Can you post pictures of what you have?

Regards,

Jim

[JGaynor]

There were at least two different types of P14 scope mount. I would expect both are pretty hard to find separate from a rifle.

Can you post pictures of what you have?

Regards,

Jim

After i made the previous post i noticed your earlier post with the pictures.
FWIW I had two P14 snipers and neither of them was marked with a "T".

I know the "T" nomenclature came into use in WW2 with the No. 4 snipers But i don't see anything indicating it was actually used on rifles any earlier.

Regards,

jim

[gunner]

Hello Jim,
Thank you for the answer. I know that the rifle was in use at the canadian army in WW2. So eventually they stamped the T. The rifle is strikingly accurate. I am able to shoot groups with 5 ore more shots under 1.5 " at 100m. And that with ironsight. So i think that`s a good idea to mount a scope.
But because of the rifles history it should be an original part. Have you the possibility to send a detailed Pic of a P14 scope mount ?

Thanks a lot.

Gunner

[JGaynor]

Hello Jim,
Thank you for the answer. I know that the rifle was in use at the canadian army in WW2. So eventually they stamped the T. The rifle is strikingly accurate. I am able to shoot groups with 5 ore more shots under 1.5 " at 100m. And that with ironsight. So i think that`s a good idea to mount a scope.
But because of the rifles history it should be an original part. Have you the possibility to send a detailed Pic of a P14 scope mount ?

Thanks a lot.

Gunner

Gunner Here are some pictures. They are from the main part of this site which has a lot of very good stuff on it.

This first one uses a BSA Scope M1918 manufactured for rifles issued to the Irish Free State in the 30's. Virtually identical Scopes and mounts were manufactured by the Periscopic Prism Company and used from WW1 until the beginning of WW2. There are pics of the PPC scopes and mounts in the site but the pics of the BSA are better.


No.3 MkI* (T) Rifle (BSA Scope) - (Pattern 1914 Mk1* W (T) Sniper Rifle) - Military Surplus Collectors Forums

This Is the Rifle No. 3 (T) (A). It was introduced mush later and has a lower mounted scope. Notice how th rear sight ihas been modified.

No.3 MkI* (T)A Sniper Rifle - (Pattern 1914 Mk1* W (T)A Sniper Rifle) - Military Surplus Collectors Forums

If I were you I would contact the site Adminsistrator (Badger) and see if he can shed any light on the meaning of the "T" on the receiver.

Possibly it means the rifle was accurate enough for telescope use or maybe it means something altogether different.

PS. Under no circumstances would I fire one of these rifles with an 80 or 90 year old scope on it. The internal lenses are fragile, can disitegrate and are all but impossible to replace.


Regards,

Jim

[gunner]

Hi Jim,
Thank you for the images and for the idea with Badger. I remember that there was an other scopemount wich left the original ironsights in complete function. For some scopes you can have a good service from manufacters. So i use a LE with an scope from Kahles ( i know that fitts not so good german/english) from 1945 and they restored the scope complete for 300 euros.

Best regards

Gunner

[JGaynor]

I found this picture on a Spanish Website. It appears to date from WW2. The rifle seems to be a P14. The Canadians used some of the US Warner Swazey scopes on Ross rifles but I don't believe I have seen one on a P14 (No. 3 Mk1 by that time) before.



Still doesn't mean much as far as the M1917 might go but i thought you might find it interesting.

Regards,

Jim

[gunner]

Hi Jim,
Thank you for the pic. It`s interesting till now i thought this scope was only used in WW1 by the U.S. Army on the Springfield`s. The shooter is very close with his eye to the scope. Lucky to have this rubber cuff otherwise....

Best regards,

Ulrich

Not a well made sniper hide but good for the pic.

[JGaynor]

Hi Jim,
Thank you for the pic. It`s interesting till now i thought this scope was only used in WW1 by the U.S. Army on the Springfield`s. The shooter is very close with his eye to the scope. Lucky to have this rubber cuff otherwise....

Best regards,

Ulrich

Not a well made sniper hide but good for the pic.

Ulrich, The somewhat ascerbic firearms authority and author, E.C. Crossman wrote the Warner Swazey scope with its original unventilated eyeshield "would make a flincher out of a cigar store indian".

Regards,

Jim

[gunner]

Hi Jim,
A nice description he made. I think i will make the scopemounts by myself becuase i didnt found one for the M 1917. All that i found was two types of mounts for the P14 and so as i can see they use drillholes on the chamber. I try to make one that leaves the rifle without any holes in metal or wood. So i have to think about the way to make this mounts stable without a wandrin POI. I hope it succeeds me.

Regards,

Ulrich