misfires, help!

[deac25]

Folks,

I have just started having some problems with an Inland.

It has worked in the past.

It was not always cycling the action, with round not properly chambered, and in addition, it was not always firing even after a round was manually chambered.

I thought initially it might be a mag problem, (my nephew and I were using a couple of 30 rounders in our D-Day celebration).

I am fortunate enough to have a Winchester carbine as well, so we switched mags and the Winnie worked flawlessly. I even took a round out of the Inland that did not fire and had him load it in the Winchester and it fired straight away.

I am afraid it is a problem with the firing pin, as the round I had him fire in the Winnie had no firing pin mark. Then, last night at my local shop someone told my it might be a headspacing problem.

In the past I have found answers on this forum, and again look for help from wiser heads than mine.

(The ammo was Wolf and some Seller & Belloit more probs w/ the Wolf.)

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[Hank Stone]

May sound silly but may I ask is the piece clean?

[AzTrooper]

From what you say with the primer not having a strike mark on it and all, it sounds like the bolt isnt going all the way into battery.This is common especially if the weapon has been sitting unused for a while.I would clean the bolt assembly really good, if bolt isnt closing all the way, and the extractor isnt closing over the case it could be that the extractor is stuck from being dirty.Give it a good soaking in solvent and then dry real good then lubricate it, have a feeling that if you give the bolt a good cleaning and make sure that everything is functional, your problem will disappear.Just to be safe ,if you dont have the means to check the headspace yourself, I would defineately have it checked just to be safe.The weapon can still fire with excessive headspace but its not safe.
One word of caution, I would not attempt to disassemble the bolt without the bolt disassembly tool. It can be done, but it is a real pain and your liable to lose a spring or plunger or both.
John

[Magyar]

Use a toothbrush & solvent and clean out the chamber entrance to barrel thorougly.

[deac25]

Gents,

Thanks for the tips, I will give the old girl a thorough cleaning and try her out again. Frankly I didn't clean her up since the last time we shot the carbines, now I will get them both disassembled, cleaned and lubed.

I already told my nephew it will be his induction in to the responsibility side of owning guns, and no I don't have the bolt tool, at least not yet. I would not attempt that chore with out the tool, so hopefully a good cleaning will get these issues resolved. If not I will come and consult you guys again.

Thanks for the knowledge.

Deac

[deac25]

By the way, I don't know how to check headspace, from a quick bit of research it appears that a headspace tool is required?

Is this best done by a gun smith? or can I do it myself? Does each caliber require a separate tool?

Thanks for helping out a newbie.

Deac

[jimb16]

Sound like an extractor or ejector problem. Make sure you clean the extractor. The bolt isn't closing completely so the extractor probably isn't riding over the case rim.

[tmark]

deac25,

I've read on the old Jouster M17 forum awhile back that if you don't want to take the M17 bolt apart, cleaning can be accomplished by soaking the bolt in break fluid. Afterwards, let the break fluid drain away/evaporate away. Then apply a gun lubricant.

I don't see why this technique can't be applied to any bolt fron any weapon.

All input is welcomed on this cleaning process.

thomas

[Ed Johnson]

IMHO there is no good substitute for a good cleaning by completely disassembling the bolt and using Carburetor cleaner and a pipe cleaner, removing all crud from the bolt. I hit the extractor, plunger and spring area with a squirt after each shooting session then after 2 to 300 rounds, take the bolt apart for a through cleaning. Remember to re lube since the Carburetor cleaner removes ALL oil and lube.
Hope this helps.

Ed

[joem]

I had trouble with mine and finally dismantled the bolt and cleaned out the old cosmolene. Stuff was solid.