Can anyone ID this Bayonet

[keltic0_1]

I obtained the following bayonet believing it to be a pattern 1856 British Sword Bayonet to fit the .577" caliber Enfield "2-band" Rifled Infantry Short-Musket.

It is typically British in design in that it has pressed-leather “Cross Hatched” grips and the rivets in the position I would expect .

The length is not correct ; but similar; in that the Blade length is 22 inches and overall length is 27 and one eighth inches compared with an expected Blade Length of about 22.7 inches and Overall Length of: 28.1 inches The Muzzle Diameter fitted in that the muzzle ring diameter is ~7/8" (internal).

Metal furniture on the handle is of iron (steel); latch is of external spring-steel type with an integral push-button and the slot width is about seven sixteenths of an inch.

The Scabbard was as expected in that it had black stitched leather with steel furniture. (Throat and Drag.)

The Enfield bayonets I understand were popular with North and South during the American Civil War; so I assume many guys in the USA will be familiar with the type.

The problem is apart from being slightly shorter, instead of the "cock's-comb" upper finial, with lower "button" finial I would expect; it has a Quillon.

I know of no other British Bayonet with a Quillon except for the quite rare version of the British Pattern 1907 Mk1 "SMLE" a few of which were made with a hooked Quillon.

This example is also made in Germany not England; as it has the Kings Head Trade Mark of the Solingen maker “Weyersberg”. This is the only mark I can find on the bayonet and leads me to believe it is Pre 1883 as Weyersberg joined with another Solingen maker Kirschbaum in that year and thereafter the “Knights Head Logo of Kirschbaum was added to the Weyersberg “Kings Head”.

Anyone any idea which Country this Bayonet was made for and which Rifle ???? I have tried it on all sorts of Rifles from the period;but it does not fit any tried so far.

Sorry about the lack of photos - I have tried everything but cannot find out how to upload yet !

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[old-smithy]

try danish 1867, if it has black grips maybe one of th eportuguese ones. I have a sword bayonet section on BAyonet Collection Presentation that may help or if you can send a picture i shoudl be able to ID it if it is in the books

[keltic0_1]

Thanks Old-Smithy

Any help gratefully received.

I have almost blown my computer apart trying to upload photos.

Following if it works is not very good but may give you an idea. Will try to do better now I have a rough idea of how to get my pictures on

By the way someone at the local club said it might fit a Remington Rolling Block . A consignment of rifles made for the Egyptians but subsequently sold to the French when the Egyptians could not pay ????

He says it was just prior to the Franco Prusian war and when the Weyersberg company approached the Kaiser for permission to produce bayonets for a potential enemy he said "Go ahead I will get them all back after any war"

Nice story but not sure if the date of the Bayonet can be established let alone identified.

Best wishes Warren ( keltic0_1)

Not very up on Remingtons - certainly have not found one of the above to try!

[old-smithy]

As i suspected its a Danish 1867,


The Egyptian Rolling blogks had brasas hilts and look like the 1866 chassepot, there are both versions on my site under egypt.

[keltic0_1]

Thanks Old Smithy

Checked your site which is great and your 1867 Danish photo matches one I am about to attach.(Hopefully)

Great weight of my mind to be able to identify it

Thanks again

Warren ( keltic0_1)

[PhayzR]

Nice! I found one this morning in my storage shed on the property im renting!
Mine's in horrible condition, but its still awesome to know what it is, how old it is, and where it came from!