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    NYPD Hassles Flintlock Owner

    "Alex, I'll take 'shicken chit' for $1000, please"

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    Up in arms over gun: Replica rifle has Brooklyn man at odds with cops

    Like America's first soldiers at the Battle of Brooklyn, Michael Littlejohn is fighting for his right to bear arms.

    The Revolutionary War buff charges the Bloomberg administration with tyranny for trying to seize his handmade flintlock rifle - a dead ringer for the weapon once used against the redcoats.

    "This is the last legal gun that you can have without registration in New York," Littlejohn said. "And yet Mayor Bloomberg is driven crazy by my flintlock gun - the one that won the American Revolution."

    Littlejohn fired the first shot when he hired a Tennessee blacksmith to recreate the vintage rifle. It arrived at his Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn, apartment in June - followed quickly by city cops.

    Police claim it's illegal for Littlejohn to keep the flintlock without a gun license.

    Littlejohn, 50, cites the earliest American patriots as his inspiration while refusing to surrender his firearm or apply for a license.

    The social worker is also clinging to a little-known exemption in the city's strict gun laws.

    The loophole allows license-free ownership of "antique firearms" - defined as rifles that require the bullet and gunpowder to be loaded separately.

    Littlejohn's rifle appears to fit the bill.

    Loading the weapon, he explains, is a multistep process that takes several pokes with a ramrod and up to a minute to complete.

    To fire, the rifle relies on a sharpened piece of flint that produces a spark when the trigger is pulled. That point is moot, Littlejohn says: He doesn't own gunpowder or bullets.

    That's not enough to make the NYPD retreat.

    The cops visited Littlejohn's apartment and sat down this month with the Tennessee blacksmith who forged the rifle.

    The lead detective on the case told Littlejohn's lawyer that he had orders "from higher-ups" to pursue the case, according to an e-mail the lawyer sent to Littlejohn.

    Littlejohn's interest in the Revolutionary War dates to his childhood. He grew up playing tag outside the upstate Newburgh house used in 1782-83 as Gen. George Washington's headquarters.

    As an adult, he joined in Colonial American reenactments in Virginia and Georgia.

    The NYPD learned about Littlejohn's $825 rifle when he left a receipt inside a Staples copy center, prompting a call to the cops.

    Cops aren't threatening to arrest Littlejohn - yet. Lawyer Joyce David, who represented Littlejohn until it became too expensive, says her ex-client could wind up with a summons.

    A police source says the war could end peacefully if Littlejohn applied for a permit with the NYPD handgun license division.

    Littlejohn would rather fight. The Brooklynite says he's willing to sue for his rifle rights.
    (as a side note: I lament the death of the paragraph in print journalism)
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    That little pansie-do-gooder, nosey-body, spineless dweeb at Staples oughta be.....

    "Omigawd! I'm so afraid! It's a...it's a...paper about a G-U-U-u--u-n-n-n!"

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    Note also the text from the article:
    The social worker is also clinging to a little-known exemption in the city's strict gun laws
    "Clinging" ... "Little known" ... "Loophole"

    He's law abiding and he's using the law to justify his actions. He ain't "clinging".

    "Little Known"!?!?!? How about, "common sense"!!!

    "Loophole"... How about, "common sense"!!!

    Control the language and you control the debate. Control the message and you can control opinion. Who has control of both here? The author.

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    So what did you expect from a mayor who hired people to ILLEGALY purchase firearms in other states by lying on the paperwork and then attempting to blame the the honest gun shops for the thugs in "DA ROTTEN APPLE"

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    All the whining, crying, and the LAW don't amount to a hoot. If Blomerberg says it's illegal, it's illegal.

    In the words of that just died left wing anti-gun liberal ... "And that's the way it is".

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    Bloomberg and Obama are fighting each other over a title.

    Each claims he is the one, true, almighty, omnipotent, eternal God.

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    GEE guys, Bloomberg cant be all bad, I just saw on the evening news he and the city are buying ONE WAY out of town tickets for the homeless to clean up the streets.
    Guess they could go down to DC and Obama could put them up in the white house, his mother in law is freeloading there already.
    This wont upset the aclu will it??

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    Your qoute does not use the word "loophole" as you do 2 times. It says "exemption". Clinging? how about depending on? Little known means just that, 'not many know about it'. Seems you are the one trying to control the words, and meaning. The question in my mind is why apply for a permit at the 'handgun' license divison, its a rifle. Do rifles require a permit in NY?? All in all I thought the article free of any bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Your qoute does not use the word "loophole" as you do 2 times. It says "exemption". Clinging? how about depending on? Little known means just that, 'not many know about it'. Seems you are the one trying to control the words, and meaning. The question in my mind is why apply for a permit at the 'handgun' license divison, its a rifle. Do rifles require a permit in NY?? All in all I thought the article free of any bias.
    Dave,

    Check just over a third of the way down the article. You'll find this line:
    The loophole allows license-free ownership of "antique firearms" - defined as rifles that require the bullet and gunpowder to be loaded separately.
    It may be little known to those who neither own nor care about firearms. But for folks with even a modest amount of knowledge of gun laws, it is well-known that exemptions for antique/replica/muzzle-loading arms are commonplace. Certainly the police should be aware of this exemption when they go to visit a guy with an arm that reportedly violates local/state law.

    Yes, his case does "depend" on that exemption. Describe it how you will, it appears to me to be an open-and-shut case if the exemption is as stated in the article. So, it is not "clinging", or "dependant upon a given interpretation", it is clear (again, IF the exemption is as stated in the article).

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    I refered to your first qoute, did not go back and read the whole artical. But my question was not answered---do rifles require registration?

    Here in MI we have a pistol registration law. The law excuses antiques or 'replicas there of', in all parts except where it details the registration process. Years ago an AG of state ruled that since "replicas" were not mentioned they must be registered. This was reversed with a modification of the law a few years ago. Rifles, of any kind, do not have to be registered.

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