Old CSP Site Reopens

[Bill Hollinger]

All are welcome! Thank you for your support.

[painter777]

Milsurps threw a rope before the CSP was about to fall into a black hole of Cyber darkness.
Remember how most every board was taken over by the Spammers.
Remember the count less E-mails with concerns and even offers to help that were never returned?
Remember the creeping slow speed of the Forums?
Remember the users that were using 6 different names just to disrupt the Forums?
People tend to forget to fast.
This site didn't just step up to the plate, but brought the ball and bat plus offered to carry the CSP until the Culvers could get back up and on their own.
It was the instant action on the part of Milsurps, grabbing what history that could be salvaged from the old CSP site before it vanished.
Does anyone remember that?
A original agreement meant to last a couple months at best.
Mind you with no monetary interest for the Milsurps team. But just the opposite with great out of pocket costs along with the added effort and labor to try to run someone else's site to their liking. The headaches that came with it were free.
It was a no win situation from the start. But Milsurps stuck it out.
We were greeted here with a friendly invitation to enjoy the new site.
Pull up a chair, put your feet up and get comfortable.
That's hard to find in this day and age.
Even set up what I called the Culver Relief Fund.
This is a 24-7-365 day active forum, that needs to be maintained, funded, moderated...etc not something you can handle part time and pop in every other month to just say HI Guys !!
New and Old Member's considerations are being taken into account. Decisions had to be made. Previous obligations to advertisers had to be met.
Not to mention keeping up with the interests of the 'ORIGINAL MILSURPS MEMBERS'
These guys opened their door and invited us in with a warm welcome.
Remember when you first checked in...you had a 'WELCOME Jouster MEMBERS' banner. We were guests.....we can now be Members !
With what I assume was limited guidance or input from the Culvers, Milsurps was forced to make some decisions. These decisions were made from the moderators acting as a team with the sites and our interests in mind. What more could you ask? I'm sure some were tough, but had to be done. I'm sure some were legal issues that can't be put on hold.
Granted Gloria had some requests. Most like shutting down the Glock Forum were respected, but many weren't feasible.
Remember the interest expressed by Gloria to charge a fee for using any of the CSP Forums?
Take the time to read back through the announcement pages. I think if you can read between the lines you'll see that the Milsurps Team had our back the whole time.
We as new members on this site were kept informed of updates, proposals and decisions.
Read the following link;
Military Surplus Collectors Forums - Announcements in Forum : Jouster's CSP Forums

I wish the Culvers a long and happy life. Best of luck on the new Jouster.
But I don't plan to turn my back on a group of the guys who have watched our backs for months now. Not after seeing the respect they've shown the Culvers and ourselves.
There are plenty of Political Forums out there.
We here are collectors of Militaria. We have the opportunity to do that here in a friendly enviroment. What more could we ask for?

My deepest Regards To The Milsurps Team.
Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

Respectfully
Charlie Holland
Painter777

[Mike Haas]

Milsurps threw a rope before the CSP was about to fall into a black hole of Cyber darkness.
Remember how most every board was taken over by the Spammers.
Remember the count less E-mails with concerns and even offers to help that were never returned?
Remember the creeping slow speed of the Forums?
Remember the users that were using 6 different names just to disrupt the Forums?
People tend to forget to fast.
This site didn't just step up to the plate, but brought the ball and bat plus offered to carry the CSP until the Culvers could get back up and on their own.
It was the instant action on the part of Milsurps, grabbing what history that could be salvaged from the old CSP site before it vanished.
Does anyone remember that?
A original agreement meant to last a couple months at best.
Mind you with no monetary interest for the Milsurps team. But just the opposite with great out of pocket costs along with the added effort and labor to try to run someone else's site to their liking. The headaches that came with it were free.
It was a no win situation from the start. But Milsurps stuck it out.
We were greeted here with a friendly invitation to enjoy the new site.
Pull up a chair, put your feet up and get comfortable.
That's hard to find in this day and age.
Even set up what I called the Culver Relief Fund.
This is a 24-7-365 day active forum, that needs to be maintained, funded, moderated...etc not something you can handle part time and pop in every other month to just say HI Guys !!
New and Old Member's considerations are being taken into account. Decisions had to be made. Previous obligations to advertisers had to be met.
Not to mention keeping up with the interests of the 'ORIGINAL MILSURPS MEMBERS'
These guys opened their door and invited us in with a warm welcome.
Remember when you first checked in...you had a 'WELCOME Jouster MEMBERS' banner. We were guests.....we can now be Members !
With what I assume was limited guidance or input from the Culvers, Milsurps was forced to make some decisions. These decisions were made from the moderators acting as a team with the sites and our interests in mind. What more could you ask? I'm sure some were tough, but had to be done. I'm sure some were legal issues that can't be put on hold.
Granted Gloria had some requests. Most like shutting down the Glock Forum were respected, but many weren't feasible.
Remember the interest expressed by Gloria to charge a fee for using any of the CSP Forums?
Take the time to read back through the announcement pages. I think if you can read between the lines you'll see that the Milsurps Team had our back the whole time.
We as new members on this site were kept informed of updates, proposals and decisions.
Read the following link;
Military Surplus Collectors Forums - Announcements in Forum : Jouster's CSP Forums

I wish the Culvers a long and happy life. Best of luck on the new Jouster.
But I don't plan to turn my back on a group of the guys who have watched our backs for months now. Not after seeing the respect they've shown the Culvers and ourselves.
There are plenty of Political Forums out there.
We here are collectors of Militaria. We have the opportunity to do that here in a friendly enviroment. What more could we ask for?

My deepest Regards To The Milsurps Team.
Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

Respectfully
Charlie Holland
Painter777

Charlie!! - Absolutely spot on, well written post!!
Just since yesterday a CSP poster (Larry McLarety) has called the moderators onl this forum (RTL-Bill - etal) "pukes" and wannabe "big cheese's".

I to contributed to the CSP Fund and I'm not to happy about some of stuff I've reading the recent turn of events.
I've signed back onto CSP but I'm not sure I'm gonna stay there. I am absolutely sure I'm gonna stay with MILSURPS and if a moderator spanks me for an in appropriate post I'll accept it!

[JGaynor]

The owners of the CSP site could have reopened their site without all the ugly invective that has appeared in the last few days.



Jim

[Bill Hollinger]

Agreed!

[Mike Haas]

The owners of the CSP site could have reopened their site without all the ugly invective that has appeared in the last few days.



Jim

Frankly I don't need to visit an establishment wherein the managment can't or won't make it a civil place to visit.

If CSP will tolerate folks like RTL and Bill Hollinger (etal) being called "pukes" and let the post stand, I will simply change the channel and not view it again.

I'm now truely sorry I contributed to the CSP Relief Fund. Hopefully my contribution helped Dick & Gloria on a personal level. I do wish it had been better used in the managment of the CSP Forum.

I'm gonna "un-subscribe" from CSP and remain here as a member. Perhaps any minor imput I contribute, and perhaps financial help will be better appreciated.

Mike Haas

[FW!]

It seems most of the slamming is on the 2nd Ammendment site. I quit going there a long time ago. I thank you for welcoming me to your site & will continue to visit. As primarily a rimfire shooter I spend most of my time in RFC but visit other sites for info. I will continue here as I do have some milsurp rifles

[Tired Retired]

Ok, I hate coming to a thread late and having to play catch-up. Someone called Bill Hollinger a "puke"????? Man, that ain't right - everyone knows he's just an "old fart" (and he has a cool jeep, too!).

I only started posting to some of these gun forums when I got back into firearms after my retirement in January. Six months is not enough time to know EVERYTHING and everybody and who said what. The one thing that has struck me is that there are 3 different groups or categories that posters/members fall into. The first is the "newbies", like me, who want to know everything and really know nothing. We just want to fit in and learn everything the old farts know. The second are the "old farts" who have been collecting and trading long before even us middle aged guys were around. You know who you are. You remember the NFA of 1968 being instituted! The third group I call the "neurotic nobodies". Those are the guys that act like they know everything when they won't listen and learn; they have to wreck everyone else's fun because they always have to have the "biggest and bestest" to meet their neuroic, insecure needs. We all grew up with them, the bully who destroyed everyone else stuff because he really didn't have anything nice himself. (let's bow our heads in a moment of pity for those who need have "carbine envy")

I will probably continue to visit both sites - for now - and see how things play out. I want to learn from those that will teach and I want to share with those that will socialize appropriately. If I want to deal with childish behavior, well, I will go volunteer at the local daycare center!

These weapons were used by our fathers before most of us were born. With proper care and HEALTHY support from gunowners in our society, the weapons will be around for our great grandchildren. Thats my goal.

Now, I am off my soap box and I got my asbetosis underwear on. Let the flaming begin!!!

[Harlan (Deceased)]

Tired Retired -

Your post was very well stated and insightful.
I remember when you first joined our group of carbine enthusiasts and you've contributed very much to the carbine forum. You have also contributed very much to many of the other forums here on Milsurps.com while Doug was hosting the all the groups from the old CSP. Doug (Badger) took over all of the members from the old CSP and gave everyone in the group a place to stay together while Gloria's site was inoperable.

You didn't say anything wrong, and don't need to worry about being 'flamed' here anyway -
We've been talked about badly by a few people lately because we (moderators) tried to protect new people from being beaten up by a small group of bullies. Doug won't tolerate this kind of activity and 'hired' a great group of moderators to try to watch over posts so nobody gets hurt. People must be (somewhat) respectful and act (fairly) adult here.

The 'new' CSP sight will have a lot of information you'll enjoy and you are doing yourself a favor by reading all the info you can read from both sites. Both sites have mostly the same group of knowledgeable members.

O.T. and in closing -
How are things WAY over there in Ft. Worth? I went to the big Walmart on HW 183 in Irving today and checked the sporting goods area and they only had THREE boxes of strange cal. ammo! They didn't have any hunting goods at all. No camo clothing, zip! I haven't been to the Walmart here in two years, but they used to have racks and racks of hunting stuff this time of the year. Is it just Irving? I read your reports of the carbine ammo at Walmarts in Ft. Worth and wondered if all of them are this bad as far as hunting/guns now.

~ Harlan

[Badger]

Just a heads up for a lot of CSP members who may be reading this post and having difficulties registering for the new Culver site.

There's nothing wrong with the software they are using and unfortunately, we can't transfer your account from here to there because of the nature of the security used for passwords etc. The software being used on the new site is the latest version of vBulletin and there are some operational differences, but essentially the registration process etc., is exactly the same.

The problem people are experiencing is exactly the same as what many went through here, often simply user inexperience with computers etc. It is what we referred to for those of you that read our recent announcement of the opening of the new Culver site.

In addition, we literally spent hundreds of hours on-line answering emails, trying to help educate a lot of elderly gun owners transition to a more modern bulletin board software interface. Most days we felt like we were teaching computer science and our phone bill sitting on long distance talking huge numbers of inexperienced people through logging-in and how to post a message, literally drove our phone bill through the roof.

As an example, last night I sat in my hotel room while traveling on business and answered more than a half dozen personal emails, trying to help people register on the new site. Ironically, many from the same folks who had registration issues when they arrived here. Heck, I even had to sign up and register for one member on his behalf and create his own profile for him.

I have not registered personally, nor do I intend to. It's apparent we are not welcome there and I don't go places that people have referred to Bill Hollinger as a "puke" and my wife and I as thieves. Why on earth would I ever want to put ourselves through that kind of torture?

Anyway, the point of my post here is that for those of you that are still experiencing problems registering with the new Culver site and can't figure it out, or get technical support from Gloria, just leave us a note through the Contact Us (click here) at the bottom of the page and Bill, myself and the rest of the ex CSP moderators will try to help you out, as we did here.

Regards,
Badger (Doug)