Should the M1917 forum title be changed to include the Pattern 14? VOTE INSIDE

[Digger]

There seems to be already some P14 discussion in this forum, but it is a distinct rifle and the title should officially reflect that, IMHO. It did afterall come before the M1917 was conceived.

Yes it's the No3, but it's no Lee. Since the Lee Enfield forum isn't really the right place, it seems like this would be the correct forum as it's the older brother to the M1917.

Vote your preference.

Discuss.

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[Badger]

IMHO, P14's are part of discussions usually in Enfield forums. Although manufactured in the U.S. at the beginning of WW1 to help out Great Britain, the design was by Enfield.

Also, they are a different caliber (.303) and were used almost exclusively by Great Britain and Commonwealth countries.

I think that when collectors around the Internet are looking for information, they most often look in Enfield oriented forums.

Just my two cents ...

Regards,
Badger

[limpetmine]

When discussing the M-1917 (often [mis]identified as the P-17), it is often called the American Enfield. As Badger stated, it is an Enfield design, and more closely associated with the British than the 'Mercans.

[Badger]

By the way, here's an example in our Knowledge Library, which was the forerunner on which the P14 was designed and tested, intended to be .276 cailbre ...

Pattern 1913 "Trials" Rifle (.276 in.) (click here) .....

(Click PIC to Enlarge)

Regards,
Badger

[Chuckindenver]

they are basicly the same rifle, with minor changes,
anyone who shoots , collects, or works on them knows this.
the P14 and M1917, other then the cal, are the same rifle..
from the tread sizes, to the way they work.
however.
other then the cal, the SMLE is nothing close to the P14.

for the record.
the .276 was experimented with by the US Military for sniper use, in the Remington 721, as was the cal, .280
how do i know?
5 years ago, i went to an auction at the Rocky Mountain Ars.
they had a large one story building, with small rooms like storage lockers.
all filled with junk, tools, brass, web gear, jeep parts ect.
they sold each room as a lot.
i won 3 rooms, one was filled with gunparts, 1928 SMG stuff, M1 Carbine, and Trench gun stuff, all new in the wrap, and demilled weapons.
another was full of ammo, powder, bullets tooling, ect.
the floor had live ammo, about 5 inches deap,
when i cleaned it out i basicly used a coal shovel, and filled a wooded box, and a few plastic drums.
90% was US headstamped .276 loaded ammo, and the rest was US marked .280Remington.
id fill a small plastic tub and put them on my table at shows, and sell them for 2.00 a round,
a collector asked how much i had, i answered how much did he want.
he now owns all the .276 ammo i had, and another collector owns the .280
i might have a couple singles in a drawer some place, if i find them, ill share the pics.
though they may have done the testing for other reasons, i personlly know the Armoror from that place, and he told me, that they did a lot of testing with other cal,s for long range sniper use, as well as sub sonic testing,
along with special missle testing to deploy nerve gas. but thats another Jepp story.

[Tom Bowers]

Chuck in Denver, I just wanted to thank you for your posts. They are always informative and I very much enjoy reading your input on many subjects. You have answered a few questions I have posted over the years and I appreciate your help. You and other experts on the forum really make this forum a great source for info and enjoyable to boot.

[Chuckindenver]

your very welcome...i too learn things here every time i sign on..
as long as we keep it light and friendly, ill always be around.
i have a rule, when it stops being fun, its time to stop.

[HotTom]

IMHO, P14's are part of discussions usually in Enfield forums. Although manufactured in the U.S. at the beginning of WW1 to help out Great Britain, the design was by Enfield.

Also, they are a different caliber (.303) and were used almost exclusively by Great Britain and Commonwealth countries.

I think that when collectors around the Internet are looking for information, they most often look in Enfield oriented forums.

Just my two cents ...

Regards,
Badger

They're the same weapon, just in different calibers. There are only nine parts that are different and those are mostly related to the different shape of the ammunition (see the bottom of the parts list):

1917and P14enfield

Of course they both should be discussed in the same forum and the title should contain both names.

HT

[Digger]

IMHO, P14's are part of discussions usually in Enfield forums. Although manufactured in the U.S. at the beginning of WW1 to help out Great Britain, the design was by Enfield.

Also, they are a different caliber (.303) and were used almost exclusively by Great Britain and Commonwealth countries.

I think that when collectors around the Internet are looking for information, they most often look in Enfield oriented forums.

Just my two cents ...

Regards,
Badger

Cool, if the powers that be want it in the Lee Enfield forum then that's fine. I wasn't sure where the correct forum was, anyway it clearly could go in either forum, but I still say it's more correct to have it in this one. (the Pattern 13 as well)

[bb1]

I think the P-14 should be included wirh the M1917. They are the same rifle. Maybe a subheading? It would never occur to me to check in the SMLE section for P-14 info.