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    My question of "why" the 1907 Enfield head space change was not answered in 27 days and this post showed no activity for 26 days.

    Now all of a sudden "someone" shows up after 26 days of inactivity (surprise, surprise) and wants to start an argument about the American SAAMI when the decision to change the Enfield head space standard in 1907 was a Britishicon military decision and had NOTHING to do with the SAAMI.

    I'm looking for a British military textbook answer and not an agitator looking to cause more trouble and get this post locked down.


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    Please ignore our agitator and see if you can help me find the British military textbook answer to my original question.

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    Ed the answer is in the minutes of the meetings at Warminster in the library.

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    I've had a look there Bindi. Can you tel me where approx Bindi? I have made other enquiries and have PM'd EdH. as it may not be exactly correct.

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    Peter. Those books you so kindly let me read had all the info on anything thought about or changed. I did notice that the dates in the minutes were earlier or much earlier than the official date of change. Headspace was one of the things that stuck in my mind as it is such a bone of contention in some quarters. Will look in my notes when i get home to see what i wrote.

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    Maybe somewhere in this is the info, I just am not familiar with the system or able to walk in the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Horton View Post
    My question of "why" the 1907 Enfield head space change was not answered in 27 days and this post showed no activity for 26 days.

    Now all of a sudden "someone" shows up after 26 days of inactivity (surprise, surprise) and wants to start an argument about the American SAAMI when the decision to change the Enfield head space standard in 1907 was a Britishicon military decision and had NOTHING to do with the SAAMI.

    I'm looking for a British military textbook answer and not an agitator looking to cause more trouble and get this post locked down.


    NOTE: Alan de Enfield and Bindi2
    Please ignore our agitator and see if you can help me find the British military textbook answer to my original question.

    There has to be a logical explanation for the difference between the British military standard and SAAMI. The first word in SAAMI is Sporting as in non-military. It is my theory that the SAAMI standard mirrors the original British standards and that the British standard was changed one or more times. So to answer to the question as to why the two standards are different may tell you where the two standards began and how many changes were made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bindi2 View Post
    There are more Britishicon spec rifles out there than there ever will be SAAMI spec rifles. SAAMI specs are wrong end of story.
    I don't doubt that the British just changed their specs as more and more of their old rifles got beat into accepting the no-go gauge. They started with a black powder cartridge and rifle design and tried to convert both to smokeless pressures.

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