Serial number dates

[Maniac]

I don't and never will advocate sharing copyrighted information. Some of my personal data comes from carbines I've had the chance to own or examine. In addition, there's often a number of M1 carbines for sale at any of the online gun auctions and these often have detailed pictures and descriptions. Some folks on forums like this one or CMP post pictures and descriptions of their carbines, especially of the recent release of mostly original Bavarian carbines. There is a wealth of info that can be assembled without copyright infringement. Just imagine if every M1 carbine listed at the database on the CMP forum was accompanied by a barrel date and manufacturer?
Regarding detailed information on original M1's, I'll save mine for the Carbine Club. The yearly dues are said to be well worth the modest yearly dues and I look forward to filling out data sheets for my Saginaw Division M1's.

[Tired Retired]

I would like to see one of the copywrite holder actually post (and give permission to open post) ...

For clarification, my comments were meant to advocate for the publication WITH the copywrite holders permission....

[lbelflowers]

Guys,
There is not a list of manufacturer dates listed that has accurate dates. There are people that have researched the National Archives and compiled list and for me , I give them the utmost in admiration! They have done the homework. Maybe what you need to do is gather a collective of people ,assign each a manufacturer, and start collecting data. Its not that hard. Start with War Baby pg 210-211,give each carbine a build date of 1 month prior. When you find newer or better data,adjust your dates. It does not come overnight. Take your time and things start to fall in place. You don`t always need copyrighted material.

Loren

[Bill Hollinger]

I don't think anyone is asking for any information that is copy written. Serial numbers and dates are facts of manufacturing production.

I really hate to think this will die here. How about you fellas in the know posting the information you have.

[lbelflowers]

How many times has a born on date been asked for? Did you copy down the information and store it in your own data base? There is no published serial number list with a manufacture date that I know of. It is basic homework,math and paying attention to detail.

[BrianQ]

Guys,
Start with War Baby pg 210-211,give each carbine a build date of 1 month prior. When you find newer or better data, adjust your dates. It does not come overnight. Take your time and things start to fall in place.
Loren

That is a good place to start.
When you start building your chart remember to factor in things like the percentages of receivers scrapped after the serial number was applied, especially if the manufacturer didn't reuse those serial numbers. If they did be prepared for the odd ball serial number that doesn't fit your model. Also need to take into consideration serial number blocks, or portions of the block that were used out of sequence, and those used simultaneously with other blocks. For those manufacturers that had subcontractors providing receivers remember to factor in the deliveries of the subcontracted receivers throughout the relevant serial number block(s). Other ankle bitters like duplicating serial numbers and not finishing a block before going to the next assigned block must also be taken into account. The more data reference points you can locate to check your results the more accurate the results will be. Once you get a real accurate chart you can factor in transferred receivers and adjust accordingly.

[Maniac]

I don't think anyone is asking for any information that is copy written. Serial numbers and dates are facts of manufacturing production.

I really hate to think this will die here. How about you fellas in the know posting the information you have.

Hey Bill, I'm flattered to think I may be "in the know" but I'm sure lots of you folks here have seen many more M1 Carbines than myself. I'm merely an M1 carbine fanatic at this point in time but trying to learn all I can. We're lucky to see more than a 1/2 dozen carbines at any of the shows in my neck of the woods, the last local show I attended had only one and it was chromed! Here's my modest IP/S'G'/S.G. serial number database, collected by means I've posted previously. I've only recently been adding the source of the info and "rblt" if a postwar rebuild. The absence of "rblt" does not necessarily mean that a particular carbine is original with early features.

IP receiver guns :

1.76xxxx with Rock-Ola 1/43
1.77xxxx with UEF 1/43
1.771xxx with Rock-Ola (undated)
1.776xxx with Rock-Ola 3/43
1.781090 with UEF 2/43 (GB 09-2009)
1.789775 with UEF 3/43 (GB 1-2010)
1.791979 with 6/43 UEF
3.213xxx with UEF 2/43
3.213xxx with UEF 3/43
3.216xxx with UEF 12/42
3.222568 with UEF 4/43 rblt (CMP/GB)

S`G` Grand Rapids

1.764xxx with 8/43 UEF
1.766109 9/43 UEF rblt (GB 11-2009)
1.791xxx with 6/43 UEF
1.800xxx with 3/43 Inland
1.815xxx with 4/44 UE
1.822935 with 8-43 UEF rblt
1.823xxx with 9/43 UEF
1.823135 with 8/43 UEF bbl
1.824xxx with 8/43 UEF
1.831xxx with 8/43 Buffalo Arms
1.833636 with 8/43 Buffalo Arms
1.834xxx with 8/43 Buffalo Arms
1.844xxx with 3/43 Rock-Ola
1.856126 with 9/43 UEF rblt (1-10 GB)
1.860xxx with 11/43 IBM
1.8713xx with 9/43 UEF
3.229xxx with 3/43 UEF rblt (1-10 GB)
3.2xxxxx with 4/43 UEF
3.2226xxx with 4/43 UEF
3.233xxx with 12/43 UEF
3.234025 receiver (GB 1-10)
3.2364xx with 6/43 UEF
3.239xxx with 6/43 UEF
3.241xxx with 6/43 UEF rblt
3.244xxx with 6/43 UEF
3.258963 with 3/44 UEF rblt (GA 1-10)
3.554xxx with Saginaw
3.557xxx with 11/43 UEF rblt
3.594509 with 7/43 Buffalo Arms (10-1009 GB)
3.599xxx with 9/43 Buffalo Arms
3.605xxx 11-43 Inland rblt
3.624662 WT with Saginaw rblt
3.635xxx with Saginaw
3.6489xx with 11-43 Inland
3.650947 with 9/43 UEF
3.6xxxxx with Saginaw

S.G. Saginaw

3.216757 with Saginaw rblt (GB 11-2008)
3.220xxx with 8/43 UEF
3.298xxx with 10/43 Inland
3.2xxxxx with undated IBM
3.327xxx with UEF 7/43
3.341043 with Saginaw
3.353010 with 1/43 WRA rblt (GB 1-10)
3.353xxx with Saginaw
3.3x4541 with Saginaw (CMP forum Bavarian)
3.35xxxx with Saginaw rblt (GB 11-2008)
3.358xxx with 6/43 UEF
3.364xxx with Saginaw
3,367310 with Saginaw rblt (GB 11-2008)
3.374059 with Saginaw (CMP forum)
3.392327 with Saginaw rblt br (GB 1-10)
3.403xxx with undated IBM
3.404707 with Saginaw rblt (GB 1-2010)
3.405xxx with Saginaw
3.407xxx with Saginaw
3.417xxx with Saginaw
3.429xxx with 4/44 Inland (GB 11-2008)
3.477xxx with Saginaw
3.488766 with 8/44 UEF rblt (GB 1-10)
3.49xxxx with 3/44 UEF
3.513527with Saginaw (CMP forum)
3.516540 5/44 Inland rblt
3.537xxx with Saginaw
3.594xxx with 11/43 Inland
5.851xxx with Saginaw
5.858xxx with 1/44 Inland

HTH

[Bill Hollinger]

Fellas, I'm not asking for me. I'm asking for the good of everybody here at the site. I know what my carbines are and no I have not kept track over the years when someone else posts that information. Thanks

[66Zoomie]

Maniac/Charlie -
I've got an M1 carbine that I purchased from DCM back in either late 1960 or early 1961. It's a Saginaw S'G', 18635xx, with an Underwood 9-43 barrel. It was rebuilt at Rock Island Armory sometime between 1947 and 1958 from the RIA over EB boxed cartouche on the left side of the InlandType 3 stock.
I'm new to carbine collecting; what's UEF? Underwood barrel presumably, but what's the EF stand for?
66Zoomie

[phil441]

Years ago, I moderated or co-owned several boards pertaining to classic or antique Motorcycles.
Never in the years of those projects was a member advised to join a "pay to use" group to obtain additional information. Nor was a member ever chided to "research it" further.
If anyone had the information, they provided it. If the reply would have required too much retyping, the advice would be to visit a http://www.Wxyz site to get the whole answer.
Are Carbine owners such an Elitist bunch?