A Bavaria M1 carbine and its markings.

[drm2m]

U.S. M1 Carbines. -------Post WWII used by the West Germans.

The carbines the Germans received from the Americans 1945-1947 tended to be used U.S. carbines of the earlier WWII configuration.

Many were not reworked and remain in their original configuration.

M1 carbines were given to the American occupational zone states of Bavaria, Hesse, Württemberg, and the city of Berlin, direct from Americans.1945-1949.

There were sometimes very particular markings placed on these M1 carbines by the Germans after the war;…this is a specific collecting venue all by its self.

It is a fascinating story!

The man that knows all about this stuff is Jim Mock,…he has a very interesting web site;

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This Inland carbine after doing it's duty during WWII became a Bavaria Rural Police arm.


The carbine- Sn. 4882099 barrel dated 12-43 ;













Some of the specific Bavaria markings;

The bolt...with a four digit serial number marking.




The trigger housing.





The slide;





The stock markings;








Post war German manufactured .30 M1 cartridges.





This carbine shown above had the agency markings removed on the left receiver rail and replaced with a black covering substance.

It might have once had the "Bavaria Rural Police" marking shown on the Bavaria marked carbine below.





Inland barrel dated 7-43.
Serial number 769723.





This carbine is a mixmaster.





Slingwell and handguard markings "0567"....which is neither the Wuerttemberg inventory number nor the receiver serial number.
One of the mysteries of these guns?








The markings on the trigger guard are from the Wuerttemberg Landes Polizei. Wuerttemberg's version of Bavaria's Rural Police. This marking dates the carbine as given to the Germans of Wuerttemberg between the end of the war and prior to 1952, likely prior to 1948 and one of the first carbines given to the Germans. The Wuerttemberg inventory number 2265.

This carbine was given to Bavaria by Wuerttemberg and the Bavaria Rural Police markings were probably added then.

This carbine has both Wuerttemberg and Bavarian markings.










A comment from Jim Mock ...the "Guru" of the Bavaria carbines.


"The stamped numbers on the bolt, has only been seen on Bavaria Rural Police carbines.

The Rural Police were the only Bavaria, and German, agency to consistently put the last 4 (or 3) digits of the serial number on the slide, stock slingwell, under the handguard, back of the trigger housing and on the bolt."


David

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[ChadC]

Interesting box of ammo.

[Harlan (Deceased)]

drm2m,

Yes, Jim Mock is an amazing gentleman!
He puts in so much time researching what seems like 100's of things at once, keeps his unbelievably detailed sites updated 'to the minute', and he also takes time to answer emails quickly with personable responses that lets you know he really read your email and put thought into his reply.

There's only 24 hours in a day!
(Sometime I think Jim must be at least two people!)

[kikokat]

Personally, Harlan, I think there are at least 3 - 4 clones doing all Jim's work.

With the input from his many "contributors", and some amazing research, Jim has has put together an incredible web site concerning the Austrian and "Bavarian" carbines. I've had 5 of these rifles, and learn something new each time I visit the site.

Thanks again Jim!

[Jim Nasium]

Nice well marked Bavarian, Sir !! I am envious!!

And I can only add to the allocades for Jim Mock.... An amazing source of information. Freely given !!

Hoof Hearted

[imarangemaster]

That is about the sweetest Bavarian carbine I have seen! Great period pics, too. I am jealous also!

[gunner]

Nice Carbine! Can`t await to get mine.

Regards

Gunner

[imarangemaster]

Nice Carbine! Can`t await to get mine.

Regards

Gunner

Wie geht's, Gunner! Wann bekommen Sie Ihre Karabiner? Ist es, den Sie sprachen vorhin?

[drm2m]

I suspect Larry Ruth's next book will probably include a section on the Bavaria/Austrian M1 carbine story with substantial input from Jim.

He is a relentless researcher and very dedicated to this subject.
I have had the pleasure of corresponding with him for a number of years since I purchased my first Bavaria marked carbine shown above.

David

[gunner]

Wie geht's, Gunner! Wann bekommen Sie Ihre Karabiner? Ist es, den Sie sprachen vorhin?

Hallo Rangemaster,

danke, es geht mir gut! Ich hoffe ihnen auch?
I have to wait til August for my next allowance, but i can shoot it and i can have it for 30 days with an special allowance. I add two pics that you can see it. If i have it for the 30 days i make detailed pics and send them here at the board. drm2m, sorry for hijacking your thread, hope it isn`t to naughty.

Regards

Gunner