Enforcer questions...

[Brian Dick]

Engineering specials they're called Peter. Handmade and fitted rifles. It was 1999, 12 years ago. Jeez! I'd forgotten about the fake down in Florida!

[bigduke6]

I don't know anything about Enforcers except what Major George S told me. He was on the Home Office advisory team when they were looking at the standardisation programme.

But I do know a bit about the engineering acceptance standards at Enfield. And I would be most suspect about the bodgy pantiograph milling of the oval slots in AdeE's picture. Allowing the milling cutter to wander all over the place causing shallow and deeper cutting and going off track as amply illustrated at the rear of the cutter stroke shows that the body has moved in the jig. Would that have been acceptable? I doubt it. After all, if they'd been milling out slots before this, they'd have got it right by then. I can almost hear the words of the Enfield floor inspectors (and I know a few of them........) asking '.......what the xxxxxxg hell do you call this? If you think that I'm accepting this, you're xxxxxxg wrong. Now go back and do it properly'
Having wielded a few Taylor Hobson pantograph engraving machines in my time, this is LOOKS like the work of an amateur to me. I could be wong.................. but that's my view looking in

Regrding Peters comments, I doug this up from an old thread which I posted regarding my thoughts and it involved the same photo IIRC.

On a Engineering point of view, if I was to go to the trouble of using an end mill to remove previous marks etc I would choose the correct one so to remove the marks with one pass, the photo shows it has had two passes with a cutter due to the incorrect size of mill being used.
That tells me that only one size of mill was available at the time, and I very much doubt Enfield had only one end mill ? I would of thought they would of removed the previous marks with one straight pass, with an end mill or a horizontal miller, or grinder.

[Peter Laidler]

Big Duke has said it all..................

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Big duke has said it all. Enforcers have all the hallmarks of penny-black stamps

[Alan de Enfield]

Following my Freedom Of Infomation (FOI) request to Derbyshire Police re the number of Enforcers purchased, the serial numbers of those purchased, and the means of disposal I have today received the following reply :

Derbyshire Police purchased 12 Enforcer rifles in the late 70's and early 80's. (The Enfield sales ledger shows they actually purchased qty 8 - not qty 12)

The records have been destroyed but we do know that serial numbers 391, 392, 395 and 414 were purchased.

All of the Derbyshire Police Enforcers were destroyed in 1997 (I had the same statement from Devon & Cornwall Police but we know of at least 5 of theirs that survive)

This probably does not help in clearing up the question of the 'twin ovoids' of which most (if not all) seem to be Derbyshire Police serial numbers, but it maybe does support (somewhat) the theory that they are not completely 'kosher'.

Still more question than answers !!!!

[Gloworm]

Gents, I recently acquired Enforcer #058, on stripping this down I noticed that the collar on the forward trigger screw is absent. Does the Enforcer have this feature or does the D shaped plate negate the requirement?

[Alan de Enfield]

Gents, I recently acquired Enforcer #058, on stripping this down I noticed that the collar on the forward trigger screw is absent. Does the Enforcer have this feature or does the D shaped plate negate the requirement?

This rifle was shipped to Somerset Police on 4th march 1974. Advice Note Number 444151/11
Somerset Police purchased 10 Enforcers
When the Avon Police and the Somerset Police merger they purchased a further 2 Enforcers 10th Feb 1982

[Surpmil]

Photo link had died prematurely(?)

[Gloworm]

I am viewing from my phone, there is no ‘go advanced’ button shown,
I am afraid to say that I am a Luddite and don’t own a computer

[Btl1994]

Hi there, for starters I'm the owner of Enforcer 767. So that is the last known numbered enforcer as confirmed as Brian Dick was the importer. Second it's a savage 1/3 action. Its the only one known to exist. Third the bolt has thr 19T proof but no serial on the bolt. Magazine is also non numbered. The forend has 767 in black marker in the channel or it's on the handguards cant remember.

From my own research 134 were not completed, but were in barrled action form when Charnwood bought most of Enfields left over stocks. I know my rifle was the personal rifle of Charnwoods owner until listed for auction in the 90s where it did not sell. Brian Dick then imported it and sold it to a gentleman in Florida who then sold it to me 2 years ago.

It's a genuine enforcer as confirmed by Brian. The scope and rings were added by the previous owner but are original as would've been issued during the program. I haven't pulled the buttstock to see if there's any numbers on the stock. The barrel has the patent pending and number on top behind the front sight. It's a heavy tapered barrel in a dark grey parkarizing. Action is in typical enfield black suncordite I believe.

[Alan de Enfield]

Hi there, for starters I'm the owner of Enforcer 767. So that is the last known numbered enforcer as confirmed as Brian Dick was the importer. Second it's a savage 1/3 action. Its the only one known to exist. Third the bolt has thr 19T proof but no serial on the bolt. Magazine is also non numbered. The forend has 767 in black marker in the channel or it's on the handguards cant remember.

From my own research 134 were not completed, but were in barrled action form when Charnwood bought most of Enfields left over stocks. I know my rifle was the personal rifle of Charnwoods owner until listed for auction in the 90s where it did not sell. Brian Dick then imported it and sold it to a gentleman in Florida who then sold it to me 2 years ago.

It's a genuine enforcer as confirmed by Brian. The scope and rings were added by the previous owner but are original as would've been issued during the program. I haven't pulled the buttstock to see if there's any numbers on the stock. The barrel has the patent pending and number on top behind the front sight. It's a heavy tapered barrel in a dark grey parkarizing. Action is in typical enfield black suncordite I believe.

According to my Records it was sold by Brian in 2009, it then went to Florida and in 2018 was sold to you.

Towards the end of the contract Parker Hale were unable to source any more barrelled actions from RoF Enfield and had to source 'pre-used' action on the open market and build them up as Enforcers.

Depending on what they could get hold off depended on what was used as the 'base' for the Enforcer.
Not only Savage were used, but some Long Branch as well.

At the end of the day the Police did not order the agreed amount and the remaining stock went off to auction where it was split into several 'lots' of which Charnwood bought a high percentage.

I was talking with a RFD (Registered Firearm Dealer) and he had bought a new 'Gun Shop' in the NE of England, on starting to clear up and take stock of what he has he found a 'back room' that was 'full' of several dozen Enforcer barrelled actions and complete sets of furniture, sights etc. The previous shop owner had bought them at the Parker Hale clearance auction.

Add those to the other known 'unbuilt' Enforcers and you wonder what the actual numbers of Enforcers there are.

Long Branch Enforcer & Savage (767) Enforcer.