Band reality check?

[DaveHH]

it is because they have a lighting element by the dial. They are made in the PI.
I'm not too interested in quartz watches.

Jim: I recall seeing one of those GPs years ago. Pretty hard to find. A great brand by the way. Very, very popular in the Southern Hemisphere, not seen that often here. Same with Ulysse Nardin. Both command $$$ especially UN.
I have a nice Rolex GMT and have owned several more, but I'm more of a LeCoultre, Hamilton guy. It's an interesting hobby working on miniature machines.
How's this?

[dbarn]

Two well made machines. Both made to last a very long time. I have much respect for any one who has the patience to work on the innards of fine time pieces. The best watch I have ever owned? CASIO!

[Bill Hollinger]

I have two Rolex watches, one 1958 Mens Watch and the other a 1944 Rose Gold Oyster Perpetual. Both were my dad’s and I wear the Mens Watch everyday.

[painter777]

When a member is just asking if a part looks real, he may have a number of reasons why he's asking.
He could be comparing the part for sale to one he owns or possibly one on a carbine he's thinking of buying.
He might be testing the water to see if a particular seller is on the up and up.
I've asked these same type questions for the same reasons.
When experienced collectors offer up their opinions it helps to bring the 'Humpers' into the light. It brings those nicely done restorations that are being offered up as bring backs to our attention.
Most of us have had that sick feeling after paying pricey sums for a part to find out later it's fake.
We all have extra parts laying around. I wouldn't want forum members, including myself to be nervous about asking others if they thought a part, stock marking,.. etc.. was legit. Your valued opinions save us from offering up a part for sale that we may think is real..... sell it as such.... then later find out we've just sold off a humped part to a fellow collector.
I don't want that hanging over my head. I'm sure others would agree. If they don't agree......we have the makings of a freshly made humper on our hands. In this case the word will spread quickly.

I bought a late IBM with a worn out Blue Sky IBM barrel.
At the time it was useless unless you wanted a worn out example of a imported carbine, that I didn't feel was safe to shoot. After close inspection I found a hairline crack on the bolt lug.
It was a total mixer with many early parts. Some earlier then when this carbine was made.
At the time I had extra IBM barrels. I put the best barrel on it and swapped off the others. I've bought and traded for parts that would have been correct for it when it was issued to the best of my knowledge. Since I was searching for parts....... Why not put IBM parts back in it. The receiver has the late Adj rear sight and it has the late bayo band. It's not a original carbine, it's a restoration project to make a carbine capable of being used again. Not trying to fool someone, just trying to salvage it.

We have our hands full with the Repro parts and their sellers. One whack of a fake CC stamp ruins a vintage WWII stock. I can live with the fact that the stock's markings have worn off over its lifetime in service.
Sellers that misrepresent restorations are no better than out right armed robbers.

There are Moles here on this site collecting all the tid bits of info we post pictures of and also list. These are a concern to all of us.
When we pay these high dollar prices for parts, we truely are our worst enemies.

Just some thoughts,
Charlie-painter777

[Bufordm1]

Excellent post Charlie, Thanks.

Want to add that; I would be the absolute last person to do a restoration and then try to pass it off as original. My search for original parts stems from 4 barreled receivers I got a few years ago from the CMP. The CMP certificates even say "barreled receiver" right on them, so hard to pass off as not being restorations. Some came with original rear flip sights, and some with original type one bands. But none had both. Don't see anything wrong with trying to restore these to original configuration. After all the time and money spent, I'm sure not going to sell them once completed. I will, however post photos of the finished product.

Can't think of a better way to learn about these carbines then to attempt to do such a restoration. Has pushed me to buy all the books, join the clubs, countless gun shows, visit the CMP, and most importantly, ask a lot of questions. The people you meet with like interests are amazing. Lots of fun!

Lets hope we can keep this hobby going for a long time...and not let the humpers ruin it. Need to keep each other abreast of the situation!

[jmoore]

Can you do a Carbine Club data sheet on just the barreled receiver assembly?
If one was never submitted before on that S/N it will at least give a "ground zero" for future collectors. (I have heard they've been flooded w/ data sheets since the CMP sales started, but it still would be useful to fill it out now and submit it later, I should think.) I've a friend who's a member in the club, and he's recorded some of my carbines in the past few years.

[STU1]

that is all good and fine Charlie, but i find myself in the unique situation of working as a gunsmith,when more often than not i get a customer who comes into the shop and wants to place a nice legit barrel band on his carbine and in the same breath hands me a fake flip sight and i tell the customer "you know it a repro" and then they shrug their shoulders and say "yea, it's an orignal repro" maybe it's ignorance or arrogance on their part? who knows but unfortunately i'm paid to do the deed it is what it is and maybe i feel i have defiled history when i place a piece of crap repro on and otherwise nice rifle that should have been left as it was. i don't have a problem with anyone wanting to restore and original gun that my have lost it's original rear sight along the way or needs a correct highwood stock to make it right no problems whatsoever or helping someone out here or their maybe my point was missed or i didn't make it clear enough for some. if i stepped on your toes bufordm1 that wasn't my intention this 1% of posters on this board is and can be user friendly. regards

Stu

[duggaboy]

i just mounted a CMP bought , new walnut stock onto an inland carbine, not all original by any means. I got a good feeling from finishing the stock, and putting the gun back to looking nice, not original, and I think anyone who wants to improve the visual looks of a firearm , should feel free to do what they wish to make them feel good about that firearm in the safe. I think we all need to respect the individual right to do whatever we want with our own guns, collectors or shooters and then we all will understand the second ammendment a little more.

[Bufordm1]

jmoore,
"data sheet on just the barreled receiver assembly?"

Absolutely; CC has mentioned that they could use carbine information of all kinds to add to the data base or for even an article in the newsletters. People also sometimes feel a data sheet on a total mixmaster would be useless. Not the case. Information on just the barrel date/type, receiver, serial number, is helpful.