CMP Win 7,23x,xxx Auction

[rpw7351]

Back to the barrel bands again. This gun looks original but it has a D in a diamond marked T3
barrel band. I'm interested in any input.

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[BrianQ]

Read CC Newsletter 355.

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Read CC Newsletter 355.

D inside a diamond was Donaldson Company.

Stated above, Carbine Club newsletter #355 dated Sept 1 2009 has a 10 page article on 6 & 7 million Winchester's. This is a very informative article. Pretty much everything you ever wanted to know about their late guns. There is more defined info on the bands in this article. Just another great reason to join and be able to read these newsletters. Don't know how many times it has been said, but joining is well worth the money.

[rpw7351]

I'm not so sure the data is without error. 6 million plus WW2 built. Huge numbers never issued. How many examined before they were put into service? I fear many correct guns have been mis-restored because of scanty info or preconceived notions. Mr Ricca states, on this site, that many T3 bands of various makers were indeed contracted for and manufactured during WW2. None of these ever found their way onto a late WW2 built carbine? I just find that very, very hard to accept. Sorry. As the latest Carbines find their way home, especially the higher numbered ones, I hope people keep an open mind and don't rush to "correct" them.

[Tired Retired]

Rpw, I am curious as to who identified the barrel band as a Diamond D on the carbine? Was there info posted that I missed? Specific part info might prove useful for those wanting to bid (and no, I am not the one bidding that one up).

[BrianQ]

I'm not so sure the data is without error. 6 million plus WW2 built. Huge numbers never issued. How many examined before they were put into service? I fear many correct guns have been mis-restored because of scanty info or preconceived notions. Mr Ricca states, on this site, that many T3 bands of various makers were indeed contracted for and manufactured during WW2. None of these ever found their way onto a late WW2 built carbine? I just find that very, very hard to accept. Sorry. As the latest Carbines find their way home, especially the higher numbered ones, I hope people keep an open mind and don't rush to "correct" them.

You need to read the article.

Tired Retired, D in a diamond was Donaldson Company contract ran from June 1944 through April 1945.

[Tired Retired]

Brian,

Thanks for the reminder on the diamond D. But I was wanting to know how the carbine up for auction at CMP was identified has having a diamond D barrel band. The description given did not identify the manufacturer mark of the barrel band. Also, I am curious as to any other information out there on the specifics on that carbine other than what is posted on the CMP site?

[rpw7351]

Downloaded picture and enhanced it. Plain as day D in diamond. Go figure... I can't. Gun sure doesn't look like a mixmaster. Donaldson and Winchester plants both in CT about 25 miles apart. Naugatuck and Housatonic valleys HUGE locations for carbine parts suppliers. I think that the T3 band needs serious reconsideration. Geography and demand are key factors.

[Tired Retired]

Well, I tried everything I could with my photoshop and could not make it out. I should be able to make something out. The Diamond D mark should be even with the top of the metal bend holding the swivel (at least on the Diamond D's I have) so the piece of twine is a good reference point of the location.

That is a useful skill you have developed... what photo program are you using to get that clarity? I think I want to go buy that program for future use.

[BrianQ]

I think that the T3 band needs serious reconsideration.

Why do you think so?