Pof cia (p) 67

[841NER]

I have an option to buy about 600 rounds of this in cartons of 32. My understanding is that this is corrosive MkVII from the Pakistan Ordnance Factory made in '67. Any thoughts on it's AU$ value?

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[smellie]

The first rule in gun-trading, friend is "Never Make Offers".

If you offer too little, he'll think you're a crook or a cheapskate. If you offer too much, he'll either think you are crazy or he will wonder "what YOU know that HE doesn't know".

HE is selling the stuff, so he should set the price. Then YOU decide if it's too much for your budget or if you can smile all the way home.

Sorry I can't help any farther, but I am on the wrong spot on our mud-ball to be guessing about ammo prices in Oz. Here, we are paying 40 to 50 cents Canadian a shot for WW2 Defence Industries, when it pops up. That said, the DI brass is Boxer primed and wonderful for reloading. I know this. When the Rich Guys toss it away, I grub it all up and haul it home. Right now I am sitting on 1000 rounds of the nicest brass ever made!

Good luck, friend!

[841NER]

Ha...thanks Smellie, agree with your first rule!

I have asked him to come up with his price...thought I should do a little research in the meantime.

I want to make sure I'm not looking at brass that would be best used for trench art ripoffs!

[jmoore]

Well, IF it was well stored, it may be OK. Not reloadable! Mostly, it's hang fire city, though! Anywhere from click'bang' to click............."is it a du'bang'd?".

[RJW NZ]

If its Pakistan in origin, quiz him about how many go pop bang, recent (last 2 year) Pakistan stuff is notorious for not firing, sometime as much as half the box and more sometimes. Even if you get it for half the usual milsurp price to make up for the no go's, you wouldn't believe how frustrating it is having that much ammo not working right while you're shooting.
*And thats not mentioning the very real fear factor that one of those will hang a bullet up halfway down the barrel and you may not notice, so, for me, I shoot and check the bore, shoot and check the bore, tedious and worrying stuff.
The price for normal mil surp 303 varies lot country by country, in NZ average cond ww2 brit ammo its $1 per round average, if that unreliable Paki stuff was here I'd pay 25 to 30 cents each, top, for it.

[Jollygreenslugg]

I've had a fair bit of the 67 POF, and have usually had about ten percent hangfire with the odd fail-to-fire. I've paid AUD $20 per 32 round box and have been happy with that. It's great fun for plinking and flinch-training, but I wouldn't use it for much more than that.

Cheers,
Matt

[krinko]

There will soon be two cases of it available in Omaha---put up for sale by a guy who owns about a six pack of Vickers MGs and a Lewis Gun or two.
Yet with all those hungry mouths to feed, the man is willing to part with these two cases.
A philanthropist?
-----krinko

[Jollygreenslugg]

I could imagine that hangfires and fail-to-fires would be far more of a problem in a machine gun than they are in a bolt-action rifle. I agree that they're an irritation, but they're the cheapest ammo available near here, so I put up with it for plinking purposes.

They usually go OK if left in a black plastic bag in the sun to warm them up a little before shooting.

Cheers,
Matt

[Peter Laidler]

Ammo isn't my subject and I've heard this about Pakistan made .303 for years. Has anyone analysed exactly what the problem is. Is it a physical one to do with the storeage or chemistry or quality control or........, well what?

I remember a big batch of 7.62mm blank that we used to say was full of dynamite

[841NER]

Thanks all for your comments and advice. I was able to take 50 rounds to the range and put it through two No1MkIIIs, both Lithgows, a '42 and a '44. Had about 10% hangfire; small 'click' delay. Accurate at 100 yards [more so for the '44], looking at the paper, it would appear to be a much lower fps than the Federal & Remington I had been using. I didn't have a chrono on it, so I can't confirm this. There was mention of it not being reloadable, is this due to the primer set up? All the fired brass looked mishapen, so I'm not sure it would be the best stock for learning the art of reloading anyway.