I agree there to some degree Beery as these scopes were never used in real life........ Roger Paynes mounts definately WERE used albeit as replacement parts for needy service L42's. I hope you don't mind me repeating that DRP as I think that it's important that it should be known because somewhere out there in the, albeit small, L42 owning world, there are about/up to 50 L42's with those mounts