Need help in identifying two guns

[Mr. Wathne]

Hello all, my family has had multiple guns passed down to us that we regularly shoot and enjoy. However, there are two that we know nothing about and don't use. If someone could identify either of them it would be much appreciated!

So here are some pics. I hope they load right and are a decent quality, also we think that the older of the two is a WW1 Indian rifle, but like I said I do not know for sure.

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[Mr. Wathne]

I would rotate them but I don't know how so sorry haha

[Schwehn]

Hello and welcome,
from the pictures I am going to say the hunting rifle is an extremely modified/sporterized mosin nagant. It was a standard military service rifle for the russian/soviet army from the 1890's until after WW2. If there are any markings on the reciever, post a picture and I can help you figure out what it used to be, or check out this website: 7.62x54r.net

The other appears to be a Gewehr M1888, a German made rifle that was designed to follow the invention of smokeless powder ammunition. They were used by Germany into WW1, and were also given and used by countries such as Turkey. Odds are it was used by the turks, and upgraded if you can still find ammo to shoot it. However I am not an expert on Gewehrs, and someone else might be able to help you out more.

Hope this info helps

[jmoore]

The 1888 rifle could also be a Chinese variant, but Turkish is possible, too, unfortunately I'm not that well versed on these rifles. Some close ups of any receiver or rear sight markings would help.

[Mr. Wathne]

Thank you! both of your guys info definitely helped a lot! I can post pictures of receiver on monday or tuesday. Im gone until then but if you check back Ill upload them. Thanks again

[bearhunter]

The 1888 looks to be one of the Turk conversions. When I blow the first receiver pic up, the letters nkara are visible. The rear sight is the modification used when they got rid if the barrel shrouds. The charger lips have been riveted to the receiver to accept the standard 5 round Mauser chargers. The mag well will have a modification as well. A spring plate will have been added, with a lip to hold the cartridges in place after insertion. The small clip on the bottom of the mag well is to cover the hole that was left over from when the cartridges had to be inserted with the enbloc clip. The enbloc also served and lip guides for the cartridges as they were being stripped out by the bolt to enter the chamber, before the cartridge rim popped up in front of the bolt and behind the extractor.

There is a cut out at the front of the receiver to accept the "S" pattern bullets. More than likely it will shoot the standard 7.92x57 cartridge, which is loaded with a .323 diameter bullet. Best way to tell what diameter bullet it shoots is to slug the bore. Both the .318 and .323 loadings are available. The .318 may be a bit difficult to come by off the shelf and will need to be ordered in. Some shops do carry it though.

[Mk VII]

That looks like one of the nicer attempts at sporterising an M-N. These were sold off at low prices after WW1 and were many a poor man's hunting rifle.