Enforcer Numbering - Another Observation...

[Cold_Zero]

I have observed with D73 actions the decimal in "7.62" is justified at the top of the numbering, D76 and D80 actions the decimal is justified at the bottom of "7.62".

Consistent? Yes/No?

Might be yesterday's newpaper, I just noticed...

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[Hal O'Peridol]

On mine, #665, the decimal point is lower.

[Gnr527]

How was this engraving done? - I think I also have a D & C Enforcer - I also notice that two differing types of "3" have been used - possible? - why?

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John

[Peter Laidler]

As one who has had to load up the letter plate on an old TH pantograph engraver many times, one identical to those used at Enfield, it just depends upon whoever loads the font into the engraving machine on that day.

Reading this thread I'm minded to ask whether D&C DID in fact guillotine their rifles but some wag, knowing this, has 'resurrected' the numbers, knowing the originals will never emerge. Just a thought..................

[Alan de Enfield]

As one who has had to load up the letter plate on an old TH pantograph engraver many times, one identical to those used at Enfield, it just depends upon whoever loads the font into the engraving machine on that day.

Reading this thread I'm minded to ask whether D&C DID in fact guillotine their rifles but some wag, knowing this, has 'resurrected' the numbers, knowing the originals will never emerge. Just a thought..................

That is of course possible but I tend more towards the fact that the Police do not know what happened to them, or, perhaps more worrying, that they are deliberately misleading the public.

Here are the relevant answers from Devon & Cornwall Police :

4) By what method where any Enfield Enforcer rifles disposed of ? (i.e. destroyed, sold to the civilian market etc.)

Apart from the one remaining Enforcer mentioned in response to question 2, all were destroyed by Force guillotine as surplus stock.

5) What were the serial numbers of any Enfield Enforcer rifles that were destroyed?

The only records that could be located are details of the last four Enforcers to be destroyed as in question 4 above. In November 2004, serial No's 124, 139, 670 and 269 were destroyed by guillotine.

What leads me to believe that they actually have no idea what happened to them.

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Below is the answers to the same questions by the Sussex Police :

"However, upon speaking with the Force Armourer, he believes the weapon issued to police forces was in fact the Envoy (not Enforcer) made by the Small Arms Factory Enfield. Weapons held would have been destroyed as we are not permitted to sell police weapons to the public".

In fact the Enfield sale ledgers show that in fact Sussex Police purchased 8 Enforcers.

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The Met Police were a little more devious with their reply :

"Members of the criminal fraternity, who have requisite firearms knowledge, could use the information to 'clone' a police firearm. This could then be distributed within criminal gangs and used for committing serious armed offences. This could jeopardise the health and safety, or indeed the lives, of innocent members of the community and complicate any subsequent investigation.

Details of telescopic sights would reveal the tactical capability of that weapon".


Does it really matter what the tactical capability was of the Enforcer Scope 30 years after it was discontinued ?

Peter Laidler is obviously of the same mind as the 'Criminal Fraternity'

[Thunderbox]

The only records that could be located are details of the last four Enforcers to be destroyed as in question 4 above. In November 2004, serial No's 124, 139, 670 and 269 were destroyed by guillotine.

What leads me to believe that they actually have no idea what happened to them.

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I have some of the wood from two of those rifles.... which would indicate that (a) D&C did indeed scrap the rifles, so, possibly, (b) therefore they probably did scrap the other unlisted rifles, which would mean that, (c) some Enforcers have been cloned from salvaged numbered parts.

[PrinzEugen]

What actually happened to the rifles which were 'guillotined'? I've no idea what this device is in gunsmithery terms but what would have happened to the rifles? Actions completely mashed/chopped up or something else?

[Alan de Enfield]

What actually happened to the rifles which were 'guillotined'? I've no idea what this device is in gunsmithery terms but what would have happened to the rifles? Actions completely mashed/chopped up or something else?

I've always assumed that usable parts (woodwork, sights etc) would be removed and the barrel, action & bolt (FAC items) were literally guillotined or gas-axed

[Peter Laidler]

And presumably someone just 'disposed' of the non FAC remains........... Ready for the inevitable resurrection that we now see. If you did the same with a car, it'd be called 'ringing' and you'd be in the slammer

[Simon P]

Who would of thought they would fake Enforcers, I bought my Enforcer years ago. I wanted an Envoy but the Enforcer was cheaper.

The London Armoury at the time had a whole rack of them, from memory they were £250 ea without the scope & £300 ea with scopes and a bit more if you wanted the Harris Bipod as well.

The Enfield Gunsight Company had spare stock sets and quite a few of the Pecar scopes a few years back.

One of the guys in my club who is a retired Met police Firearms officer had several of their scopes, he was selling them privately in the club.