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Surely chaps........... if they are allowing them by virtue of the 'other means of deactivation' clause and using the 'bleedin' obvious' criteria, then maybe we should graciously accept what is being allowed/offered.
In other words....................................
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04-15-2011 01:55 PM
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As I understand it, again with guidance from here, the DP's will soon be classified similarly. Maybe they already are. Can EFD help here?
What 'standard' of DP'ing is being discussed ?
In the worst/best case scenario isnt a DP a fully functioning rifle but with parts 'out of spec' ?
In other cases it could have anything from a 'clipped' striker to holes thru' the chamber/barrel and cuts thru' the action.
There must be some guidelines as to what a DP is.
Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...
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Originally Posted by
Alan de Enfield
There must be some guidelines as to what a DP is.
The problem Alan, is that the definition of "DP" has varied over the years and even between the Armed Services.
For example when I was in the CCF (which was a while ago) I remember that some local ACF units had some DP rifles which, as a Cadet Armourer, I took an interest. The only thing that appeared to have been done to them was clipped firing pins, some DP markings, and and white stripes with "DP" stencilled in black. Compare that to an L59 and you have all the variations between the two.
Last edited by Beerhunter; 04-16-2011 at 04:14 AM.
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Let's stop what I'm going to call 'silliness..................' There is only one current DP spec and it is the L59A1, to the EMER specification. Nothing halfway, nothing inbetween. We're talking about the UK
MoD spec L59 A1. Twist the tail of the lion, in this case, the Home Office or the Proof Master and they'll bite you back
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Let's stop what I'm going to call 'silliness..................' There is only one current DP spec and it is the L59A1, to the EMER specification. Nothing halfway, nothing inbetween. We're talking about the
UK MoD spec L59 A1. Twist the tail of the lion, in this case, the Home Office or the Proof Master and they'll bite you back
Peter - in the post I referred to there was no mention of the L59 (until 5 posts later) hence my question as to which level of DP was under discussion.
......in facAs a matter of interest, the decision regarding that was made with us here at Warminster with all the paperwork. But, all of the SKN rifles started their lives as 'rifles'. They were converted in the 50's by LIST and Co at Dagenham under a big Enfield factory contract programme. List also did the Bren Guns too. But it's good to know that another official Enfield can be collected. To be honest, I think that they form a great part of a collection.
As I understand it, again with guidance from here, the DP's will soon be classified similarly. Maybe they already are. Can EFD help heret that
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Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...
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The only one that they'll accept is the UK MoD 'standard' that's done to the drawing spec. That's the L59
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Interestingly, in the 70's, I skeletonised a full length No4, including wood, barrel sections, butt etc etc. In fact, to a far greater degree than the standard SKN rifles and after a few minutes representation my local Police firearms place took it off my licence. On that basis alone, prosecuting a 'real' SKN owner in the future was a lost cause[/QUOTE]
Some years ago I bought a fully skeletonised full length No4 as described above it only cost me £30 as it was being sold under section 1, it came with a plaque stateing "Rifle , .303 No 4 Mk1 (Skeletonized).
This rifle was the workhorse of the British Army from 1941 until about 1966. This particular rifle, number BN 13849, was made at the Royal Ordnance Factory, Maltby, Yorkshire during the summer of 1944.
It was one of 4,619,349 No 4 rifles made in Mk1,1*,1/2.1/3 and Mk2 versions at factories in Birmingham, Fazakerley, Maltby, Long Branch (Canada) and Chicopee Falls (USA)
Presented to RSM (WO 1) J Pettifar, Royal Fusiliers by the REME Armourers, With Thanks"
It is in immaculate condition and has been "Skeletonised" to a far greater degree the the standard SKN versions , the breech has been cut away to such an extent that it would be impossible to "pin" it as part of the deact regulations, however the bolt is untouched and could be used in another rifle to fire live rounds hence the section 1 clasification, If anyone is interested I will take some photo's of what I assume is a rather rare item.
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Maybe you should sensitively/sensibly modify the bolt to deact status and ask the local police to take it off your FAC as being '...unable to be proofed and incapable of supporting...........' etc etc.
Many Officers and Sergeants messes had these and L1A1 rifles deactivated by their parent workshops to display on mess and office walls. Many were also presented to those retiring and no doubt your popular mans got the special treatment. Alas, many fell foul of the official deactivation rules
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