GARAND scope mount??

[DaveN]

My Rifleman mag came today and an add for a Garand scope mount by Amega Ranges looked interesting. (page 40) it mounts in place of the rear hand guard and allows you to put the rifle back to original at any time. Has anyone seen or heard or used this product. In the picture it looks like the scope might be mounted to far forward as it is in line with barrel not offset as I am accustom. Just thought this was interesting?

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[sfoster]

For one thing, it requires a long eye relief scope, like a "scout scope". I'm fairly sure the scope mounts in line wth the bore. Never had the good fortune of shooting an M1C or M1D, but did own an older M94 Win 30-30 with an side mount scope. After that, I lost all interest in side mounts.

One day I would like to get this set-up for my one and only M-1. The only concern I have is if the stock needs to be relieved to make room for the mount metal beneath and beside the barrel. Also, neither the mount or a quality long eye relief rifle scope are inexpensive. Its an investment that will take a little while to save up for.

Good luck.

[Kirk]

I use one for load development. It is a first class mount & fits well on a USGI barrel. I did not have to remove any wood from the stock (again, a USGI stock. It is made to clear USGI parts, not commercial parts with different dimensions. The only problem I encountered when installing the mount was making sure it was level as I tightened the allen screws. Once it was level & the screws tight, there are several more allen screws on top; these turn in against an aluminum bar that in turn bears on the barrel; this ensures contact between barrel & mount are solid. The front on the mount locks into the lower band.

I use a 2.5x extended eye relief scope in low rings. I can keep my chin on the stock to about the same degree as on a M1903 stock. Because the scope is set so low, I can not use the iron sights; there is a channel in the mount so that if I'd used higher rings I could have used the iron sights. Higher rings would require a cheek rest like a M1C or D. The scope is directly over the bore, not off to the left.

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[gulliver62]

It looks like the same mount that the CMP used to sell. I played with one there and it is interesting. I have a lot of trouble getting exactly the right position for the FOV.
It would let you mount a holo sight or anything else that might be easier to pick up quickly.

[DaveN]

Interesting fellers. The pics and comments are very helpful. You said you didn't have to remove any wood but It looks like the rear hand guard is replaced with the with the scope mount, and your scope is not (it appears to me ) mounted as far back as it could go ? Unless like my last shot Garand the shells go to a 2 O' clock landing spot which could hit the scope if I had one. Is that why?

[gulliver62]

I guess remove is not the right term. Now wood is altered in the installation.

[Kirk]

Interesting fellers. The pics and comments are very helpful. You said you didn't have to remove any wood but It looks like the rear hand guard is replaced with the with the scope mount, and your scope is not (it appears to me ) mounted as far back as it could go ? Unless like my last shot Garand the shells go to a 2 O' clock landing spot which could hit the scope if I had one. Is that why?

You are correct; the entire rear hand guard is removed & replaced by the scope mount; I thought you were asking if I had to cut any wood off of the butt stock. A scope could be mounted further to the rear but I get the best sight picture with this scope mounted where it is. No dings or brass marks have showed up on the scope so it appears it is not being struck by the brass.

I m thinking about adding an adjustable gas cylinder lock screw to the rifle so that I can track group size when shooting the rifle as a manually operated rifle vs. a self loader. If brass was hitting the scope, different settings would be a way of changing the brass ejection pattern.

[DaveN]

thank you kirk. The best eye relief (for you) would have been my next guess for your scope location. I may have to get one of these and guess that would make mine an M1E ?

[jmoore]

The only real objection I have to the Amegaranges mount is the added weight up front (It's pretty hefty in of itself, then you generally have to add rings and a scope.- A small reddot would reduce mass a bit, I reckon.) Otherwise, no complaints.

[hamour]

I have both the Amega and Ultimak scout mounts.

The Amega is heavier and mounts the scope taller than the Ultimak. But "As is" it mounts rock solid.

The Ultimak mounts very low and weighs less. With low Leupold quick disconnect mounts my Burris 2 x 7 mounts so low that the eye peice of the scope will impact the reciever if not moved forward a bit. I also had to remove the rear sight peep so I could see the center of the scope. Cheek weld is just like aiming open sights.

Main problem with the Ultimak, the rear section near the receiver is not supported by the barrel and acts like a diving board! Moves down to finger pressure.

I took some accuglas gel and "Bedded" the base to the barrel. Took it off while the compound was still pliable but not sticky and using a razor knife I trimmed the bedding compound away from the edges by 1/32 of an inch or so. Looks great and does not shift zero or move. When I bedded the base I only snugged the base down so when I mounted it tightly that section had some squeeze to it.

Any way I like the Ultimak best after my "Fix" but the Amega is a very servicable unit, plus some lights and stuff can be mounted on the side if you desire.

The Burris 2 x 7 pistol scope is the cats meow! You can adjust for precise target shooting and dial it down for some serious deer or hog shooting.

I put it on a CMP SA SG Special (New Old Stock 1955 or so rifle) with new production walnut stock. With the scope and 155gr Nosler HPBT I can shoot 1.5 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yds.