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Originally Posted by
jss
I think your probably better off without English neighbours. They might start campainging!.
Best wishes
jss
Oh, we'd love to have English neighbors. My wife and I are both of English blood. My people were from Nottingham, England
. They settled in South Africa in 1820 and my great grandparents on my mother's mother's side came here in 1901 after they both served during the Boer War as medical personel. All of our neighbors are of English blood as well. As a child, I remember seeing an old and original Victorian period poster depicting Queen Victoria along with the British flag and an English fleet of late 1890's battle ships on the upstairs hallway wall. I wish I would've taken it after they both died. No telling where it went.
Rule Britania!
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06-22-2011 11:47 AM
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The firearms in the Tank Museum at Bovington are de-acted - even the muzzle loaders.
The requirement under the 1988 Act for a museum licence (expensive) has caused many museums to review their holdings of firearms, especially if they are not part of their core collection. Disposing of them or deacting them will cut their running costs.
Last edited by Mk VII; 06-22-2011 at 05:42 PM.
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We asked for some of the Tank Museums weapons on the basis that it's a TANK museum. There's a clue in the title I'm sure but the request was rejected - or not even replied to. Tank related MG's and crew weaponry but...............
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Originally Posted by
Mk VII
The firearms in the Tank Museum at Bovington are de-acted - even the muzzle loaders.
The custodians of that museum are pathetic. How on earth can they be trusted with the the Nation's heritage if they do that sort of thing.
What's the cost of a Museums License - £300?
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The BIG difference is that the HQ,SASC Weapons Collection isn't a museum. It's a working collection belonging to the Army.
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Originally Posted by
Mk VII
The firearms in the Tank Museum at Bovington are de-acted - even the muzzle loaders.
The requirement under the 1988 Act for a museum licence (expensive) has caused many museums to review their holdings of firearms, especially if they are not part of their core collection. Disposing of them or deacting them will cut their running costs.
MkVII, do you know if the de-ac work has been carried out to UK standards?
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One weird effect of the de-act rules, is that here in Mauserland you can actually buy a perfectly usable working rifle for less than a de-act. It was formerly possible for a gunsmith to de-activate a rifle in conformance with the rules and that was that. Now the de-act has to be sent to Wiesbaden, inspected and stamped, and it is (thank heavens) in general not worth while for a dealer to go through the de-activation procedure. This has led to pre-existing "old rules" de-acts now selling for more than a working rifle. The market - again!
Patrick
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A similar event took place here Patrick C. They changed the rules in the late 90's to (virtually) weld up some categories of deacts. Now the OLD unwelded-up specification SMG's are worth a kings ransom.
EC regulated deacts are fully acceptable in the UK and vice verca under the free trade agreement as defined. Once they become deacts, they are no longer firearms and do not thereafter fall into the firearm category (HM Customs)
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I'm happy to be corrected, but I was under the firm impression that there are no EU-wide laws covering deactivated guns and UK law does not recognise non-UK deactivation certification.
Nature and nature's laws lay hid in night;
God said "Let Newton be!" and all was light.
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Originally Posted by
peregrinvs
I'm happy to be corrected, but I was under the firm impression that there are no EU-wide laws covering deactivated guns and
UK law does not recognise non-UK deactivation certification.
First of all there is actually no such thing as EU Law as such because the EU is not a Sovereign State. There are only EU Directives that the Member States are required by the various treaties (Rome, Maastricht, etc.) to incorporated in their Laws. For example the EFP had to be incorporated into UK Law in order to make an EFP a Legal document in the UK.
As far as I can ascertain, the ONLY Legislation that makes a deact a "non-gun" in the UK is the 1968 Firearms Act as amended in 1988. To benefit from that Act a series of Rules MUST be followed or the person/gun in question has to take their chance in court. There is no way to vary that Act (because it is Primary Legislation) other than by further legislation (an Amendment to the 1968 Firearms Act).
I can find no evidence of an EU Directive on deactivation being incorporated into UK Firearms Law but if some can point it out I am sure that we will all sleep more soundly in our beds.
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