Bill, when I was done the regular army I went to Armoured Car for 5 years. I started with Loomis and was carrying a Mod 10-10 HB. I went to a small company for day work only and I had a Mod 15, because no one else wanted it. They thought it would explode if you fired +P out of it. OK says I, I'll have that one. What a nice gun.