Questionable No. 32 Scope Can

[Warren]

I did a 32 scope can/case comparison some time ago with about 8 different cans and cases...It might be on the old jester site, but I'll check and see if I still have the photo's.....

[Roger Payne]

I saw one identical at Beltring about ten days ago. There were several repro scopes/mounts & tins, as well as a couple of real ones.
Out of curiosity Peter (& others), have you seen many BE made tins that were dated 1944? I never have, so far as I can recollect.
ATB

PS Sorry, hadn't noticed that Surpmil had already picked up on the BE & date thing......

[Peter Laidler]

I hadn't noticed that it was late year date DRP but it does look engraved. But As warren says, take it for what it is, a repop.

To be honest, if it gets another incomplete T on the road and shooting on the ranges, that's fine just so long as noone tries to pass it off

[superbee]

repo tin for sure,bought one just like it last month.Has exact same markings.

[Badger]

repo tin for sure,bought one just like it last month.Has exact same markings.

Thanks partner ...

Who sells these things?

Regards,
Doug

[Roger Payne]

Doug,
I think there's more than one source. The French dealer who trades on ebay & does Beltring as well as a lot of the French & Belgian shows sells a whole range of repro stuff, including scope tins. I think he trades as AAS or similar. I suspect the scope tins that are appearing often in association with the repro scopes & have the false engraved markings (as in this example) are possibly coming from the same place as the scopes themselves. Not certain about this, but from the few I've seen.....

Incidentally the square tins our French chap is doing now are really quite good. A pal of mine bought one from him last week. It was completely devoid of markings but was quite well made.

ATB

[jmoore]

I still don't understand how the chalk filled letters in the "new production fake" can be described as "engraved":


"Fake" scope case markings

However, it surely isn't quite the same in details as original cases:


"Spare" case that mever had a rifle assigned, nor a mfg. date added.

Mfg date added separately from the other markings
Same case different lighting:


I don't know who made this case due to the several layers of paint, but it's dated 1955, with the second "5" being slighly different than the other "5" (which DOES match the rest of the faint numbers):


The "newest" case in my stash- I've only had it since 2010-or is it 2009...



But until these new tins came out I never paid them much attention! Either the rifle had a tin of one of two types or a "bag", or nothing!

[jmoore]

Oh, even if you don't have labels and such inside your can, the roll stamping doesn't leave much, if any, reverse impression on the opposite face. Good tooling!


From the "spare" case. Which isn't spare. BTW.

[Peter Laidler]

The 50's era cases generally came from PSMW a small sheet metal fabricators from Swindon. The roll stamp just included the 195- and the last 4 or 5 or 6 as I remember, was added afterwards

Roll stamping doesn't leave a mark on the rear as the steel case is sandwiched between the mandril and the tool that rolls across it. But it does distort it.

I know that we know the case that started this thread is a fake but you can see that the 'Ltd' has been formatted from three separate letters set out on the engraving master plate whereas the original has the 'td' of the Ltd set into the space of the L. To think that it would have been simplicity itself to move the plate to get it right. Attention to detail lads............................

[PrinzEugen]

Well it sold for the £350 asking price in the end...