Repro No32 scopes and parts at Sarco

[mindstorm]

Doe's anybody know where these repro #32 scopes are made? Is there a Warranty? and is there any differences between the scopes from Sarco,kambee Keep or Numrich ?ie are they the same manufacturer?

[Warren]

There appears to be minor differences in the scopes from Sarco and Numrich. I've "tarted up" a few of them from each and with a bit of work they seem to work well. I "tarted one up" for a member here and he has compared it to two original 32 scopes and it seems to work as well if not better than the originals. Mind you, the 2 MOA in windage and 50 yard in range is something you have to live with unless someone gets new index plates made but at the price of machining I cannot see that happening soon. I have some plates out for quote as MILSURP and I have discussed the project but we both feel there is not enough interest to make it a break even venture.
I went through a similar project where there was lots of interest until it came time to pay the piper and then everyone bailed out.
As to major differences between suppliers of the scopes, it might be just a difference in parts used for assembly, but I did notice a minor difference in some components so to say there is more than one or two manufacturers is a crap shoot. I do suspect there is two or three makers but cannot be certain.

[mtbikerwvu]

I found one reproduction 32 scope at all places, Cabelas. In their upscale gunroom in the back of the store. It seemed nice but needed to be distressed a bit. Altough used, it looked brand new in it's transit case. They didn't know what make it was and at first they tried to pass it as original. I am hoping to find an original but if I were to build a clone this is the way I would go. Also, I am a cabinet maker by civilian trade and have thought about building a repro rifle case in a distressed form. Are there blue prints available for those boxes? Also, what are the chances of finding an original scope and what prices can be expected? I was a bit surprised by the price of the repros! Cabelas wanted $800 for theirs!

[bigduke6]

I found one reproduction 32 scope at all places, Cabelas.

Are there blue prints available for those boxes?

I would look on ebay for an original scope, (PM sent) prices do vary, A Mk3 went for around 700 pounds the other week, a week later a Mk 11 went for 1470 pounds ? (did anyone see this) ?

The dimensions for the transit chest are in the knowladge libary.

[jmoore]

I would look on ebay for an original scope, (PM sent) prices do vary, A Mk3 went for around 700 pounds the other week, a week later a Mk 11 went for 1470 pounds ? (did anyone see this) ?

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Seems more reasonable than prices in the US. With or w/o brackets?

[Maple_Leaf_Eh]

I found one reproduction 32 scope at all places, Cabelas. In their upscale gunroom in the back of the store. It seemed nice but needed to be distressed a bit. Altough used, it looked brand new in it's transit case. They didn't know what make it was and at first they tried to pass it as original. I am hoping to find an original but if I were to build a clone this is the way I would go. Also, I am a cabinet maker by civilian trade and have thought about building a repro rifle case in a distressed form. Are there blue prints available for those boxes? Also, what are the chances of finding an original scope and what prices can be expected? I was a bit surprised by the price of the repros! Cabelas wanted $800 for theirs!

One of our forum members Grant, has sourced lumber, hardware and drawings, and is selling repro chests. He is in southern BC. Yes the drawings are posted in this forum but you need to do a little detective work to recognize the 1940s terminology. The hardware is scarce. I have a source of Canadian CNo.7 chests and sell the salvaged hardware. But, it has the wrong number of screw holes on the strap hinges, and most of the screws are baddly rusted. Only good for examples.

[PrinzEugen]

Seems more reasonable than prices in the US. With or w/o brackets?

The £1400 Mk II didn't have a bracket nor did the £700 mk 3. I think there might have been an issue with the mk3 in that it finished at 2am here in blighty but it didn't look like it was listed anywhere other than the uk site.
Another mk 3 with bracket this time also made a bit more than £1,000 last week. I think the prices are rising back up again after the uncertainty caused by the repros... After all a resold repro is worth not much, but the real thing will always hold its value.
Mercifully the reselling of repros as the real thing seems to have died down.

[Peter Laidler]

I have to say that I sympathise to a degree with anyone unknowingly selling (and to a greater degree, anyone unknowingly buying.....) a repop No32 as a similar event happened to me recently. I was asked to sell a ZF-41 for a friend of mine simply on the basis that I knew how to use that auction site. I put it on and said out aloud that there were repops/fakes out there.......... only to be told a few days later that this one was a fake! I asked why and was told the markings were read from the wrong side. I looked at TWO at work (both documented by number since 1958) and one of them was identical! So what do you do?

Now he's asked me to sell some other bits including the 1001% genuine shaped metal case. Jeeeees, genuine or what? I've told him I'll stick to what I know and keep my 100% feedback score!

Anyone else fallen into the trap. And I STILL don't know whether it's a fake. As a little sequel to the ZF scope saga, I put it on the optical stand and light screen and it performs exactly the same (given the usual variables of course.....) as the two originals........

Are you reading thjis JM? Did you see a complete, downed RAF P-40 Kittyhawk was found in the Egyptian desert recently?

[PrinzEugen]

The internet spawns so many 'experts' who cry 'fake' at the drop of a hat about things, and their only knowledge is reading a few threads on a forum, having never handled the thing themselves... Thankfully milsurps at least generally is populated by those who speak about the things of which they have knowledge.
Interesting your ZF41 experience - when you've definitely got the genuine article which is the same.
I seem to recall you mentioning someone questioning the provenance of a no32 scope you sold - which takes the biscuit somewhat!
Fact is selling stuff on ebay, even when you know what you've got is genuine, is a bit of a nightmare these days because of the way they've changed the feedback system penalising sellers.
You can block a bidder though Peter - so in his case I would!

Oh by the way - here's the link to the amazing Kittyhawk story Peter mentioned:

World War II RAF Kittyhawk fighter plane found in the Sahara Desert in Egypt - Telegraph

[bigduke6]

There is a lot of Mauser repro stuff about, one person in a EU country who has tried to sell stuff through Milsurps (now banned) but pops up from time to time under a new name and email etc, ( See Milsurps team forum, 4th thread down) had recently tried his luck again, soon as I received an email I contacted Badger, he also tried to sell a ZF41 on guntrader, but the pictures he had used were copied from the internet, he got a bit stroppy when I questioned him.

Would recomend anyone who can access the team forum to have a look at the thread (4th down). it may save you a few quid in the future.