2-43 Inland Carbine

[cmr314]

I purchased this Inland Carbine about two weeks ago off GunBroker (paid $450.00). The receiver has a 6-digit serial number, 2708##, and barrel is an Inland barrel, marked 2-43. The Carbine has been sporterized, and from what I've been able to research on it, I think it may have been done in Germany at some point, and there are no import markings on the Carbine.

All of the metal on the carbine has been blued, the bolt has been polished, as has the magazine release and flip safety (the Type-2 barrel band has even been blued, marked KI). The front sight has had its wings ground off. The trigger group had flaking black paint on it when I received it, and I stripped it off to reveal the plum blued trigger group. Unfortunately, they also had their way with the stock, it was an RMC marked high wood, I-cut stock, but they sanded all the markings from it, recontoured the pistol grip area, trimmed the rear of the stock flat to mount a recoil pad, and filled in the sling recess.

I replaced the stock with a high wood, I-cut stock from Boyds (purchased for a Carbine that I previously owned). I plan to use this as a shooter for CMP matches, so I purchased a new "N" marked front sight, and a Type-3 "KI" marked barrel band for it.

I'm not sure who manufactured the trigger guard on this, as it had been polished prior to blueing. I took pictures of the trigger guard, so hopefully somebody can help me out with ID'ing it.























Hard to see, but there is a "J" stamped in the front of the well


And here's how they modified the original stock

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[Bill Hollinger]

You might be able to salvage the stock. I have a transitional Winchester that had been filled in like this one. I was able to clean it up and even was able to see the "W" stamped in the sling well. The other stuff, well.......fronts sights are easy to come by. Or, just leave it as it is. Nice early Inland! The price was right also.

Interesting patina on the trigger housing.

[cmr314]

I removed all the wood filler from the sling well area, that's how I found the "RMC" stamping. I figured I might be able to splice some walnut to the rear of the stock, so a GI buttplate could be mounted again. As for the nice profiling they did around the pistol grip, nothing I can do with that... at least they did not checker it.

[painter777]

CMR314,

Are the back upper edges on your housing just under the rear lug also beveled?
Gotta ask, just trying to make sure you don't have a type III housing with the top corners rounded off.
Here's 2 pictures of a NPM Type II, showing what I mean......




If yours are beveled then Your Trigger Housing is a Type II.
You also have the full width rear mag wall.
I can see on the front of the rear mag wall that it has the full grooves for the mag.

If I'm on the right track, we can eliminate these makers,
WRA......... Smooth rear mag wall
Stan Pro.....Smooth rear mag wall
IP..............Smooth rear mag wall
S'G'............Smooth rear mag wall
IBM........... Only used a Type IV brazed housing
SG.......... I don't think made a Type II housing.
Underwood... Smooth rear mag wall, except on the Type IV brazed housing

If still on track, that only leaves Type II housings made by,
Inland
Rock-Ola
QHMC
National Postal Meter

All of these makers would have been marked on the upper right rear/ near the lug. Except NPM, you'd find their mark on the rear left side. If you can't find any marking remnant. You may try posting a clear picture INSIDE the bottom of the housing showing the shape of the hole where the end of the trigger would engage the safety.
Another way is while looking at the outside profile. Note the shelf above the safety on either side and study the curve of it as it rises up the back side of the mag wall.

Here's a few to look at.....
If your capable, it might be a good idea to copy/print these pictures for future use.
A Type II Inland (with late/post war oil lube/draing hole added on the left)
It shows a very similiar curve like yours. Do see a vertical milling line/ridge on both sides that runs up from the start of the back end of the shelf.

M1 Carbine, Inland T-2 trigger housing. WWII. : Other Rifle Accessories & Parts at GunBroker.com


A Type II Rock Ola Also similar curve compared to yours.
Note about RMC housings, RMC quit making the front bevel cut when starting to convert over to the type II housing. IIRC thats why you find these with the narrow mag wall.

M1 Carbine ROCK-OLA rear bevel trigger housing VGC : Curios & Relics at GunBroker.com


A Type II QHMC Your curve (above the shelf) is more dramatic than this QHMC)

M1 Carbine, Quality Hardware, T2 trigger housing. : Other Rifle Accessories & Parts at GunBroker.com


Type II National Postal Meter Very Similiar curve to yours.

Early M1 Carbine Trigger Housing NPM N16 : Collectible Gun Parts & Accessories at GunBroker.com


We love a mystery and I've gave it my best shot, please keep us posted.
Hope I've Helped,
Charlie-painter777

P.S. My best WAG is yours is a
#1 Inland with worn off Inland logo.
#2 NPM with worn off marking
I can't recall if RMC ever made a Type II with a wide mag wall ???

[cmr314]

Are the back upper edges on your housing just under the rear lug also beveled?
P.S. My best WAG is yours is a
#1 Inland with worn off Inland logo.
#2 NPM with worn off marking

Yes, the upper edges are bevelled below the rear lug, and I do agree, it's either a Type II Inland or a Type II NPM trigger housing. Does the small hole just in front of the trigger guard have any prominance in determining the manufacturer of the trigger housing?

[painter777]

That small hole is the first I've seen.
It has me stumped at this point.

Charlie-painter777