Milsurp Target Competition and Shoot (2012)

[bigduke6]

Both nice rifles JM, and both on my wish list but the only way we can have a Garrand is if its a straight pull (no semi auto) and needs cocking every time, as for the M1922 been looking for one for sometime.
On the Subject of the M1922 and one of my previous posts will start the .22 comp (25 mtr/yrd) at the start of next year and run it the same as the 100 mtr/yard.

[jmoore]

the only way we can have a Garrand is if its a straight pull (no semi auto) and needs cocking every time

So that would sort of put it in the "modified" class automatically? Or do we take pity on the poor things? I don't think it would help accuracy much if at all.

[Patrick Chadwick]

Semi-autos are surely dimensioned so that the bullet has alread exited the muzzle when the gas piston gets going, so the vibration caused by the reloading action cannot affect accuracy (can it?). If the same rifle seems to be less accurate when operating as a semi-auto, my observation at the .30M1 carbine competition on Saturday was that the shooters tend to get into a slighty hectic rhythm, quite simply not taking the same care as they would with a single-shot or repeating rifle.

So I would allow it.

[bigduke6]

Never give it much thought regarding which class, I think it has to go in the modified one.
To be honest the only straight pulls we tend to get are the AR15 variants, there is now the L1A1 which is on the market, and I have seen a M14 but this was several years ago, there is someone in the UK now making the M1 carbine as a straight pull, and there were a few made a few years ago.

I sold my AR15 (based on the M4) few years back great rifle but always had probs feeding or extracting and the bolt locking up, very fussy on the ammo etc, looked the part but on the range a real pain at times, guess in semi auto it would of done well, but I,d had enough at the end of the day, and sold it, cant complain as I bought more Enfields with cash from the sale.

I am looking at one of the L1A1,s that are being assembled here as straight pulls, but I,m looking at a different calibre than .308, I,ll go into that a bit more at a later date......

[fn111557]

Semi-autos are surely dimensioned so that the bullet has alread exited the muzzle when the gas piston gets going, so the vibration caused by the reloading action cannot affect accuracy (can it?). If the same rifle seems to be less accurate when operating as a semi-auto, my observation at the .30M1 carbine competition on Saturday was that the shooters tend to get into a slighty hectic rhythm, quite simply not taking the same care as they would with a single-shot or repeating rifle.

So I would allow it.

Not quite a scientific experiment but, I have a Yugoslavian SKS. I have tried 5 shot groups in standard semi-auto mode, and change over the gas selector for 5 shot groups in single shot mode, several times. I have let my friends try this also, and without exception, ALL single shot groups were ALWAYS tighter than when shot in semi-auto mode. Just my $.02

[jmoore]

Not quite a scientific experiment but, I have a Yugoslavian SKS. I have tried 5 shot groups in standard semi-auto mode, and change over the gas selector for 5 shot groups in single shot mode, several times. I have let my friends try this also, and without exception, ALL single shot groups were ALWAYS tighter than when shot in semi-auto mode. Just my $.02

M14s don't have an accuracy change, generally, when shutting the gas off, but the POI does shift. Garands? Due to the gas port location, I can't see it being of much importance. Other than that, I don't have much opinion, except if it gets folks to contribute, then by all means, be accomodating. It's not like we're contesting a big trophy or cash prize!

[JohnMOhio]

I read that you guys were looking for a 50 yard small bore target to use. I thought that you might be able to use this one. Can increase the size to 100% and then print it off.

I saved the one you folks have for printing to shoot the milsurps competition but not sure if the size is correct. Not familiar with those diameters in mm. I am printing them off on an starndard 8 1/2 X 11 sheet of paper. Once I get to the range, I will submit mine and hope they are the correct size. Will just scan them into my computer.

Best Regards,
JohnMOhio

[jmoore]

I saved the one you folks have for printing to shoot the milsurps competition but not sure if the size is correct.

I print them from bigduke6's link. My printer actually makes tham about 90-95 percent of full scale, but since I'm shooting at 100 yards rather than 100 meters it isn't a worry.

[bigduke6]

It's not like we're contesting a big trophy or cash prize!

Thats the whole idea JM, But I may knock something up in the future.....

[Patrick Chadwick]

My printer actually makes tham about 90-95 percent of full scale, but since I'm shooting at 100 yards rather than 100 meters it isn't a worry.

So all you have to do now is to size down the bullets to 90% of their original diameter, and you have kept the same proportions - right?