Trophy IP

[DaveHH]

tear into those mixmasters and swap some parts huh? Everything is suspect now. There are some collectors that just keep on buying this stuff, getting hosed time after time.

[Mikey51]

Good catch Marcus ! Someone just hung themselves. Havn't had time to look at the rest of it yet. Mike.

[Mikey51]

USGI is on the case. I don't think we need to say anymore about the GB one.

[dbarn]

It would be interesting to know where the stock originated from. I have my suspicions, and for a very good reason.

Here's a link for those for those who need.

Irwin Pedersen M1 Carbine : WW1 & WW2 Collectibles at GunBroker.com

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

And it is already at $1,500 with 5 days to go.

[ChipS]

At the risk of being flamed, I have no problem with putting together an as-manufactured example out of a re-built carbine and replacement parts, since I do it myself. But I don't purposely refinish, buff, age and match parts to make the carbine look original and I have never purported any of my re-bulds to be anythuing other than what they are. As the put-togethers get better (not including this IP), and the scruples get worse, it makes me think that ANY written provenance that can be documented with the purchase of an original carbine will be more and more valuable as time goes on. I think the true originals will always be detectable by a few and the very good fakes will always fool the many. JMHO

[Bill Hollinger]

Nowhere in this GB auction does it mention original.

[jimb16]

I see the problem with the reciever. Its as plain as the nose on a face.....if you know what to look for! And I'm not going to give it away. And I'm not talking about the markings.

[DaveHH]

The problem comes along when the next guy sells it. It is an ersatz original, a put together, but as we see here, silence is golden. If I don't say anything and the buyer doesn't ask, no harm, no foul..right? Well it is a heck of a foul because the buyer paid for something and got a fake something. That is the other side to this part swapping game. All good intentioned fun that turns out wrong down the road as it passes from one person to the next. It debases the whole pool of genuine carbines. The benchmark of collecting carbines, the one that gets the dough is the great shape low mile original (of which apparently there an example on the CMP site right now). The faked, put together makes them all suspect (as demonstrated on the other forum).

[LeagleEagle]

Back around 2005 I set out to restore to as manufactured condition an example of all the prime contractors (except the super expensive IP). I sucessfully completed 7 of them by 2006. I didn't get back to the others until this year, when I restored an SG. I currently have an S'G' and an IBM in the works. Since I have a little quirk of wanting them to look new I've had them reparked, bolts reblued, etc, so they shouldn't mislead anyone. That said, the ones I'm doing now have been much more difficult to find legit parts for, such as mag catches, safeties, flip sights and type 1 barrel bands. I've had to wait until I could buy them from people I trust and even now I'm not sure of the safeties and mag catches. It was a whole lot easier back in '05. These will be the last I restore, I've gotten to the point that I just can't tell what's real and what's fake.