89/11 1911 or ??? ID help please

[DoesntPlayWell]

I have had these two Swiss rifles for 5 or 6 years now and am just getting around to sorting them out. Both are 30" barreled. One has been "sporterized," and I plan to mount a scope and bed it. The other seems all original. Both rifles have all matching serials on receivers, barrels, bolts and box magazines.

I have quite a few strippers, two seemingly correct slings with quick release buckles, ammo pouches, belts and K31 muzzle covers that obviously are not correct, but they do work as sight covers only when mounted sideways.

Serial# 252098 and "P 7.5" also stamped on receiver.
Butt plate is stamped "98" and is curved (or is it "86"??)
I pulled the plate and was not surprised to find the ID tag missing.









Serial# 464596 and "29" also stamped on the side of receiver and a "P" on top of it.
Butt plate is much more straight.
I have not been able to pull the plate yet on this rifle. I do not have a thin enough flat head and do not want to trash the screws by wrenching on it.







I have a bayonet and scabbard/frog and am unsure of the model.

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[diopter]

Serial# 252098 was originally an 1900 manufacture 89/96 and should have been converted later to 96/11 version. Should have an extra piece of wood add to the pistol grip. If so, was convert to safely fire GP11 ammo.


Serial# 464596 1918 manufacture 1911. Safe with GP11.

If sporterized, make sure the have not been re-chambered at some point. See if GP11 will chamber.
1889s were usually re-chamber to 30-30 for the American market and some 1911 were re-chambered to .308Win

[DoesntPlayWell]

Diopter, thanks for the help!

Yes, the 'sporter' has the pistol grip added on. The workmanship is beyond excellent on that stock. You can obviously see where the wood was blended in, but the grain matches so well.

7.5 chambers in both rifles. I think I want to 'restore' the stock back to original on the older gun. I found a handguard at Liberty Tree. I'm starting a search for a complete stock as well.

I have a pretty large collection of military bolt action and self-loading rifles, and it's so hard to be as knowledgeable as I would like to be about each one. There are just so many intricacies, it's hard to keep them straight at times.

[diopter]

The bottom of this page is the best way to distinguish the different models by eye
Detailed comparison of the Schmidt-Rubin Series

And by serial #
http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/schmidt_rubin.html