+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: Identifying vintage Trapdoor ammo

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    RBruce's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    10-13-2019 @ 08:28 AM
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Age
    80
    Posts
    661
    Local Date
    04-27-2024
    Local Time
    04:11 AM

    Identifying vintage Trapdoor ammo

    I have some vintage 45-70 ammo with the following headstamp.

    U.M.C.
    S (primer) H
    .45-70.

    Any ideas about when this was manufactured?

    TIA
    Bruce Sharer
    Raleigh, NC
    Information
    Warning: This is a relatively older thread
    This discussion is older than 360 days. Some information contained in it may no longer be current.

  2. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Age
    2010
    Posts
    All Threads
    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Specializing in premium ammunition and reloading components. Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

  3. #2
    Legacy Member Skip's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    03-26-2024 @ 11:40 AM
    Posts
    234
    Local Date
    04-27-2024
    Local Time
    04:11 AM
    Union Metalic Company Solid Head
    Circa. 1860

  4. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  5. #3
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    RBruce's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    10-13-2019 @ 08:28 AM
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Age
    80
    Posts
    661
    Local Date
    04-27-2024
    Local Time
    04:11 AM
    Thread Starter
    Really? That old. I'm glad I kept it instead of firing it. Is it worth much? I only have two rounds. Thanks for the info Skip.

  6. #4
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    jonnyc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 05:54 AM
    Location
    PA, USA
    Posts
    653
    Local Date
    04-27-2024
    Local Time
    04:11 AM
    Sorry, but that's not quite accurate. The .45-70 didn't come out commercially until at least 1880, and SH ammo was produced well into the 20th century. Your Union Metallic Cartridge Co. rounds might be from as early as 1895 to as late as the 1940s. They're worth about $3 each.

  7. #5
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    RBruce's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    10-13-2019 @ 08:28 AM
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Age
    80
    Posts
    661
    Local Date
    04-27-2024
    Local Time
    04:11 AM
    Thread Starter
    Hmmmm. I knew that the Trapdoor was introduced in the 1870s, but I wasn't sure if the 45-70 round was used in another rifle prior to the trapdoor.

  8. #6
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    jonnyc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 05:54 AM
    Location
    PA, USA
    Posts
    653
    Local Date
    04-27-2024
    Local Time
    04:11 AM
    Pretty sure it was first used in the Model 1873, and then went commercial after that.

  9. #7
    Advisory Panel green's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last On
    12-22-2023 @ 08:18 PM
    Posts
    445
    Local Date
    04-27-2024
    Local Time
    03:11 AM
    The UMC hs was replaced by the Rem-UMC hs c1911 when the Remington Arms Co merged with Union Metallic Ctg Co.
    If the case has a knurled cannelure on it it is a smokeless load c1899. The US govt ordered large quantities of smokeless 45 ammo from UMC and Winchester.

  10. #8
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    Johnny Peppers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    05-01-2015 @ 11:25 PM
    Posts
    1,810
    Local Date
    04-27-2024
    Local Time
    03:11 AM
    I believe Sharps offered the Model 1874 in .45-70 (.45 2 1/10) in 1875. UMC is credited with offering the first solid head case, and Winchester came out with a solid head in 1880.

+ Reply to Thread

Similar Threads

  1. Came across some vintage ammo
    By GUTS in forum Milsurps General Discussion Forum
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 05-20-2011, 08:46 PM
  2. Ammo ID help and some Vintage stuff
    By xa-coupe in forum Milsurps General Discussion Forum
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 05-18-2011, 11:41 PM
  3. Came across some vintage ammo
    By GUTS in forum Milsurps General Discussion Forum
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-16-2011, 08:39 PM
  4. Need help identifying trapdoor carbine...
    By Texwing in forum Other U.S. Service Rifles
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 03-11-2010, 10:18 PM
  5. Help identifying year on Springfield Trapdoor rifle serial#229722?
    By Myles in forum Other U.S. Service Rifles
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 12-25-2009, 09:39 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts